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Darkray16
Joined: 09 Nov 2008
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well I was planning to give notice at 5 months and work to my 6th month.
I don't believe there are any charges incurred if I don't give notice. The main problem with doing that is they probably won't give me a letter of release so I would have to redo the entire visa process for my next job. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:04 am Post subject: |
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There have been many examples of public schools cheating their teachers who give notice prior to the six month mark. They will terminate your contract early to save the airfare and vacation.
You should quit in September.
Then you can move to Seoul a little late. |
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Adjumas Cheekbones
Joined: 26 May 2009
Location: director's pocket
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:09 am Post subject: |
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| Funny how we whiteys cant live up to the same standards we demand of the koreans. Be a man OP. You disgust me. |
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tefain
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Location: Not too far out there
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:16 am Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
There have been many examples of public schools cheating their teachers who give notice prior to the six month mark. They will terminate your contract early to save the airfare and vacation.
You should quit in September.
Then you can move to Seoul a little late. |
Best advice.
Since you're leaving early, you don't have a lot of leverage in this. Get your 6 months in without incident and go from there. |
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Kurtz
Joined: 05 Jan 2007
Location: ples bilong me
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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What if the school has been good to you though, and you've been there over a year already? I would hate to say to my handler the day the summer vacation starts "oh I'm quitting, please take care of all my arrangements during your vacation".
I might be quitting too, and I'm in the same boat. I just want to do it nicely though so the school doesn't look bad, I don't put people out, and a new person can come in on the day 2nd semester starts.
Of course I don't want to pay back the airfare, and I'm looking out for number one, but I want to try and do the right thing by the school that has been good to me. |
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Draz
Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Adjumas Cheekbones wrote: |
| Funny how we whiteys cant live up to the same standards we demand of the koreans. Be a man OP. You disgust me. |
People are being way too harsh. He wants to quit anyway, and just happens to have a full month of vacation for the last month. He would work it if there was work to do to not have to pay back airfare, but since it IS vacation he's worried about just being fired, losing the last month's pay, and getting a bill for the airfare. It's a valid worry. |
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nobbyken
Joined: 07 Jun 2006
Location: Yongin ^^
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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Does your wife have to go to Seoul before you finish some more time at your school? Can she wait until vacation is over?
Explain the financial consequences(Months salary+), and if she still wants to move then you have 2 options-
1. Live separately for a few weeks.
2. I don't know where you live presently, so maybe suggesting a comute from Seoul is not a good one. If your within an hour, then it would be good to do that for a few weeks so you could stay together with your wife.
Hope everything works out.
The spirit of doing things exactly to the day of 6 months is not good, so don't be shocked if the school releases you earlier. |
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Darkray16
Joined: 09 Nov 2008
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my wife is leaving next week so we will be apart for awhile, although I will go to Seoul on the weekends to be together. right now I live on the opposite side of the country from Seoul.
I guess it comes down to how much I trust my school. Although they haven't done anything to warrant my distrust, I don't know if I trust them enough to risk 2 million won(airfare and settlement). |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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| What can they do if a person has been at a school over a year and doesn't owe any flight money? I have a friend in this situation, and my understanding is that they can't fire him without notice just because he gives notice. He's cutting the second contract at the six month mark. |
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Sector7G
Joined: 24 May 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:17 am Post subject: |
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| Draz wrote: |
| Adjumas Cheekbones wrote: |
| Funny how we whiteys cant live up to the same standards we demand of the koreans. Be a man OP. You disgust me. |
People are being way too harsh. He wants to quit anyway, and just happens to have a full month of vacation for the last month. He would work it if there was work to do to not have to pay back airfare, but since it IS vacation he's worried about just being fired, losing the last month's pay, and getting a bill for the airfare. It's a valid worry. |
Yes, it is a valid worry. But could you really blame a school for firing someone who gives notice at the 5 month mark of a year contract and then expects to get a month paid vacation and not have to pay back airfare?? Seriously? I mean I hate hate hate being on the side of the employer but how could you fault them for doing this?
It's a tough situation but it's not the school's fault. I definitely would not say he was being "screwed", or "cheated". The one who would be screwed is the school if he ups and leaves the day after vacation. |
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Draz
Joined: 27 Jun 2007
Location: Land of Morning Clam
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| Sector7G wrote: |
Yes, it is a valid worry. But could you really blame a school for firing someone who gives notice at the 5 month mark of a year contract and then expects to get a month paid vacation and not have to pay back airfare?? Seriously? I mean I hate hate hate being on the side of the employer but how could you fault them for doing this?
It's a tough situation but it's not the school's fault. I definitely would not say he was being "screwed", or "cheated". The one who would be screwed is the school if he ups and leaves the day after vacation. |
Well to be fair it happens quite often when a contract is just not renewed. You end your stay with a month or two paid vacation (if your school doesn't make you desk warm). That's just the way it works. They aren't allowed to fire you that late in the contract but earlier... maybe. When not renewing they still have to pay your airfare home too. They can't jump the gun and fire you as soon as the term (work) is done to get out of paying you to the end of the contract and your airfare in that case, so why should this be different? |
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Darkray16
Joined: 09 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Sector7G wrote: |
| Draz wrote: |
| Adjumas Cheekbones wrote: |
| Funny how we whiteys cant live up to the same standards we demand of the koreans. Be a man OP. You disgust me. |
People are being way too harsh. He wants to quit anyway, and just happens to have a full month of vacation for the last month. He would work it if there was work to do to not have to pay back airfare, but since it IS vacation he's worried about just being fired, losing the last month's pay, and getting a bill for the airfare. It's a valid worry. |
Yes, it is a valid worry. But could you really blame a school for firing someone who gives notice at the 5 month mark of a year contract and then expects to get a month paid vacation and not have to pay back airfare?? Seriously? I mean I hate hate hate being on the side of the employer but how could you fault them for doing this?
It's a tough situation but it's not the school's fault. I definitely would not say he was being "screwed", or "cheated". The one who would be screwed is the school if he ups and leaves the day after vacation. |
So you're only entitled to any vacation at all if you work your entire contract? I feel that since I will be on the contract for half of the contract, it's not unreasonable to get half of the vacation and half of the total airfare. I'm giving notice so I'm not breaking the contract and they would have plenty of time to replace me. I would only be taking that which is proportional to how much of the contract I worked.
Anyways, it seems to be getting tough to find work in Seoul nowadays. |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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| If they fire you they still have to give notice. The most they can do is give 30 days notice and make you desk warm except the 7 work days of your actual vacation time. |
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ekul
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Sector7G wrote: |
Yes, it is a valid worry. But could you really blame a school for firing someone who gives notice at the 5 month mark of a year contract and then expects to get a month paid vacation and not have to pay back airfare?? Seriously? I mean I hate hate hate being on the side of the employer but how could you fault them for doing this?
It's a tough situation but it's not the school's fault. I definitely would not say he was being "screwed", or "cheated". The one who would be screwed is the school if he ups and leaves the day after vacation. |
I don't understand this point of view. Nobody is being cheated, the contract is being adhered to. What is the point of a contract requiring notice if the company can then just instantaneously sack you?
I would fault them because they are not upholding their end of the contract if they decide to sack him. The school is in fact in a worse position if he chooses not to give any notice. If he upped and left on the first day back after vacation, he would not owe any resettlement, any flight or anything of the sort. However the school would be left without a teacher because they didn't have a chance to hire a new one during the vacation.
Just because the school happens to be on a break during August has no real bearing on what the contract states. Of course it might have a bearing on how the school decides to shaft him, but that is really besides the point. |
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marlow
Joined: 06 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| ekul wrote: |
| I don't understand this point of view. Nobody is being cheated, the contract is being adhered to. What is the point of a contract requiring notice if the company can then just instantaneously sack you? |
I'm almost positive they can't unless they pay off your last month. |
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