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You call that exercise? (Korean style "working out"
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mcviking



Joined: 24 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

They must be doing something right because I hardly see a fat Korean. Myself on the other hand lol
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VanIslander



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcviking wrote:
...I hardly see a fat Korean.

Open your eyes and see the ajumma.

That ain't layers of muscle wrapped around their abdomen.

The vast majority of Korean women become fat by middle age.
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digsydinner



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:
mcviking wrote:
...I hardly see a fat Korean.

Open your eyes and see the ajumma.

That ain't layers of muscle wrapped around their abdomen.

The vast majority of Korean women become fat by middle age.


i disagree...if you call korean middle aged women fat....western middle aged women are whales.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've thrown this out before, and I'll throw it out again...Some people are so obviously "young single male" in their thinking it's astounding.

The OP- Are you seriously ripping on old lady's exercise routines? Seriously? Define Low: Ripping on old ladies. The fact is those are the same old ladies that spend 10 hours a day in some rice paddy- work that would probably send you home cryin.

Have fun at the age of 60. Maybe you'll have a different opinion about 'exercise' and what it constitutes. Did you even stop to think that far ahead?
"Dude why aren't those old ladies doing a real work-out on the weight bench and running a marathon. God, Stupid Orientals." That is in essence your point. Say it over and over until you realize how stupid it is.

As an aside, there are two kinds of strong- Gym Strong & Farm Strong. Anyone who has done farming knows what I'm talking about. Farm strong people don't look cut, but they are in shape, no doubt. Many of these scrawny old Koreans are farm strong.

If my fat, out of shape butt is in as good a shape as those old ladies are at their age, I'll be happy.

Seriously, can people please think before they let off another 'anti-korea' blast. Especially when they come from a country that is facing an obesity epidemic and they are criticizing the exercise habits of another country.

I am a fat American who can't bring myself to exercise everyday.
Mad props to the 60 year old lady (and the 26 year old dude) who DOES DO IT everyday. That takes heart and soul.
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crossmr



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Seriously, can people please think before they let off another 'anti-korea' blast

I can see by your join date that you're new here..
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The Gipkik



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've read about this several times in journals: You can't compare obesity levels between Caucasian and Asian individuals based on BMI. A relatively chunky man or woman here could be characterized as obese in the West. Fat here isn't the same as fat there--genetically speaking. Levels of obesity also don't accurately reflect cardiovascular and strength conditioning. A relatively slim woman here may have very poor conditioning and levels of strength based on her size and age. It's important that young men and woman take exercise seriously because it will mean a better quality life in middle age and during senescence and how toned he or she is. It's time developed Asian countries jumped on the exercise bandwagon!
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ddeubel



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Seriously, can people please think before they let off another 'anti-korea' blast

I can see by your join date that you're new here..


I've been here longer than almost anyone and I completely agree with Steelrails. Ain't got nothing to do with "being new" but rather having a few sparks still flickering upstairs.

The Gipkik,

You have a narrow view of "exercise = doing it our way" and it is really off base. I will also challenge any notion that there is an "exercise bandwagon" in the west. That is a middle class dream. Take off the rose colored glasses. Even in terms of competitive sports - excellence and exercise is way down from the levels in the 80s. But the point I'd like to make it that fitness is NOT exercise. It is what you do continually, every day. A lifestyle and way of life/thinking. Not the 30 or 60 minutes you spend doing whatever... The west treats exercise as an "add on" - that is the real travesty. It isn't a fashion accessory.

DD
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Privateer



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Gipkik wrote:
I've read about this several times in journals: You can't compare obesity levels between Caucasian and Asian individuals based on BMI. A relatively chunky man or woman here could be characterized as obese in the West. Fat here isn't the same as fat there--genetically speaking. Levels of obesity also don't accurately reflect cardiovascular and strength conditioning. A relatively slim woman here may have very poor conditioning and levels of strength based on her size and age. It's important that young men and woman take exercise seriously because it will mean a better quality life in middle age and during senescence and how toned he or she is. It's time developed Asian countries jumped on the exercise bandwagon!


You're saying, all other things being equal, fat will show up in different places in different races? Or what? Do you have a link to prove this?
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The Gipkik



Joined: 30 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Privateer wrote:

You're saying, all other things being equal, fat will show up in different places in different races? Or what? Do you have a link to prove this?


Here's a quote from the International Journal of Obesity:
"The objective evidence that, at the same BMI, Asians on average have a higher percent body fat and a greater waist circumference than Caucasians is convincing,10,11 as is the literature showing that at the same BMI African Americans have a lower percent body fat and smaller waist circumference than white Americans.12,13,14 In addition, there is a considerable amount of evidence that the BMI associated with the lowest mortality is higher in African Americans than in white Americans.15,16 "

However, that being said, BMI is actually NOT a good indicator for obesity in Asians. See link: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/10/16/health/main525887.shtml

ddeubel wrote:

You have a narrow view of "exercise = doing it our way" and it is really off base. I will also challenge any notion that there is an "exercise bandwagon" in the west. That is a middle class dream. Take off the rose colored glasses. Even in terms of competitive sports - excellence and exercise is way down from the levels in the 80s. But the point I'd like to make it that fitness is NOT exercise. It is what you do continually, every day. A lifestyle and way of life/thinking. Not the 30 or 60 minutes you spend doing whatever... The west treats exercise as an "add on" - that is the real travesty. It isn't a fashion accessory.


I'm not sure why you think I mean exercise is simply doing it our way. When I said "bandwagon," I merely inferred that intense levels of cardiovascular exercise and strength training benefit everyone and it is a current trend in North America--at the least. That doesn't mean everyone is doing it, but it is recognized and their is a burgeoning movement. Moreover, there is a prominent cohort encouraging people to get back to basic conditioning methodologies, rather than isolated exercises using free-weights or exercise machines. What this means is that the message is being promulgated. That is an important first step--and it is making inroads. If you think I meant a majority of the population, then you are wrong or I was not being clear. So why is it off base? What do you mean it is a middle class dream? Or "these rose colored glasses?" This isn't a class on Henrik Ibsen, right?

However, I would argue that more people in the West ARE more interested in exercise than here--male and female. It is the DIET that is holding them back--not the cessation of exercise. I am fully aware of how sedentary many individuals have become. Further, North America, as an example, is a much more diversified and heterogeneous population with many subcultures and lifestyles. It is much more complicated. I'd appreciate some numbers to back up your statements. So, the west treats exercise as an add-on? As opposed to whom? If you mean Koreans, I have no idea what you're talking about.

And you say that fitness is not exercise? Absolutely, but you then state that it is what you do continually, everyday. Well, this would basically discount the majority of the earth's population, at least in terms of optimal fitness levels or even suboptimal. Repetitive actions may create the pretense of fitness, in farmers for example, but that is also not fitness. Almost all lifestyles would benefit from a robust and constantly changing conditioning and strength regime as a means of becoming fit OR more fit. It is possible to live to a relatively old age without being too fit, but the last years of your life may not be quality years. Moreover, there are so many additional qualifiers towards a fit life, such as smoking, urban pollution levels, stress, etc., that the West does not have a monopoly on.
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ducati



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

At least the Koreans are doing something. Look at the US. 25% are obese. That's one quarter of the population. That's 76 million obese Americans. I would guess that at least 50% are just plain overweight.

Koreans, on the otherhand, do not have many obese people. Maybe 1-2%? Probably less than that.

Again, Koreans are doing something right and the Americans are doing something wrong...
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Johnny_Bravo



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the poster that said Americans/Westerns are more into exercise but held back by their diet - HUGE amount of truth in that.

How many of these rail thin wispy Korean princesses have ever physically exerted themselves in any way their entire lives? They'd get blown away by a gust of wind and couldn't pick up a 10 lb dumbbell.

the men are more into knowledgeable exercise than the women here by a huge margin.

I don't mind adjummas doing whatever the hell they want to do - they've earned the right - but when I see the young(er) women/girls doing the "massage" and "hoola hoop" workout - well, that's just hilarious.

That said, it's very much an adjumma dominated activity. Actually several of the K-gals at my gym work out fairly hard, (to their credit) despite literally looking like bowling balls (see comment at bottom). I wish them the best.

nota bene: several hotjummas in my gym whom I'd be happy to invite to my bed, rather than throw them out of it.

in fairness it should be noted that while in comparison to their Korean counterparts, Western females would be quite bovine, the amount of truly fat Korean women is growing, and rapidly.

Men too, but not nearly as many.

I see it around where I live with quite a lot of frequency and lots of couples where you have the little stick Korean guy with what resembles a Korean whale with large folds of cellulite flying off in any/every direction.

it's not a pretty sight, I assure you. Some of the bigger Western gals have some muscle/athletic background, not so with the fat K-gals, it's just pure blubber.

My examples are all from the lower socio-economic strata. It seems to be a common denominator for obesity that crosses country/ethnic and cultural lines.
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thefarns



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I go to the gym in the U.S., I see many people who are in great shape. Criticizing "western" fitness based on the results of people who aren't using it is obviously a flawed way to compare. Korea has a lower fat diet. I lost weight when coming here, despite a low amount of physical activity. So, I don't think BMI is a very good indicator of overall physical fitness.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess we have to define what consitutes 'fitness' and 'exercise'.

Is it blasting X percentage of your weight on a bench press? Those same beefcakes would die on the track.

Is it farm-work/labor? A lot of the work they do would make gym rats cry. Especially when it comes to their joints.

Is it distance running? Being able to swim? Riding a bicycle for 75km? Is it being able to be active and healthy at an old age?

Let's hear the answers....
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ekul



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:


Let's hear the answers....


Sex, who can do it the longest, the hardest and the in most positions.
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poeticjustice



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
I've thrown this out before, and I'll throw it out again...Some people are so obviously "young single male" in their thinking it's astounding.

The OP- Are you seriously ripping on old lady's exercise routines? Seriously? Define Low: Ripping on old ladies. The fact is those are the same old ladies that spend 10 hours a day in some rice paddy- work that would probably send you home cryin.

I'm ripping on some old ladies, but I was more targetting the whole gambit. In the area where I live, none of the Ajumma work in rice paddies. I don't know what world you live in, but all these Ajumma are housewifes or working women who live in apartments that are nicer and larger than mine. Also, I was talking about Ajumma mainly, not 할머니. They are younger than 60.

Have fun at the age of 60. Maybe you'll have a different opinion about 'exercise' and what it constitutes. Did you even stop to think that far ahead?
"Dude why aren't those old ladies doing a real work-out on the weight bench and running a marathon. God, Stupid Orientals." That is in essence your point. Say it over and over until you realize how stupid it is.

'Kay. I see that that is in quotes, but I don't recall saying that. I never intended to come off this way.

As an aside, there are two kinds of strong- Gym Strong & Farm Strong. Anyone who has done farming knows what I'm talking about. Farm strong people don't look cut, but they are in shape, no doubt. Many of these scrawny old Koreans are farm strong.

None of the people I'm referring to are farm strong, and take in mind I'm not referring to the old ladies/men. The subject of this rant was mainly baby-boomer aged, white collar Koreans.

PS. I'm a farmboy.


If my fat, out of shape butt is in as good a shape as those old ladies are at their age, I'll be happy.

No time like the present.

Seriously, can people please think before they let off another 'anti-korea' blast. Especially when they come from a country that is facing an obesity epidemic and they are criticizing the exercise habits of another country.

Yes, I ashamed of my country in this respect but I have been (throughout this thread) making a note of how Koreans in general are in better shape with better diets than their Western counterparts--and they smoke a pack a day. Heh.

I am a fat American who can't bring myself to exercise everyday.
Mad props to the 60 year old lady (and the 26 year old dude) who DOES DO IT everyday. That takes heart and soul.

...and why can't you do it everyday? You sure are preachy for a fat guy who can't do even what Korean Ajumma do.
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