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JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:21 am Post subject: I want to make money. |
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So, I've kind of resigned myself to a lifetime of teaching, but I want to make money. I make a decent amount in Korea in all the normal ways but I want more god damn it.
I have 4 years teaching experience in the ROK with two of those in University.
I have an honors degree in English Lit and a TEFL cert. That's it.
I basically value education as a way of making money. Unfortunately I figured this out after i went to uni(people go to uni way too early in life btw).
So this is the request.
Name a course/field of study that can lead to better jobs/more money in the general field of education(although other suggestions are welcome).
I could do a masters I know, but from a time/benefit point of view is it worth it? Is there a way to get qualified in something more useful online?
just heap some advice on me people...anyway I'm guessing there are other people out there in the same boat..you can help us all out.
basic criteria would be
* directly leads to better job opportunities
* allows me to travel/study languages
* is doable online(i want to keep my current full time and part time stuff for time being) |
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Xuanzang

Joined: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Sadang
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:30 am Post subject: |
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You should have been a lawyer or accountant if you wanted to make money. Teaching is peanuts unless you went to Harvard like that guy who is on the KOrean lecture circuit talking about Harvard class of 96 and nothing else. |
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JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:37 am Post subject: |
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Xuanzang wrote: |
You should have been a lawyer or accountant if you wanted to make money. Teaching is peanuts unless you went to Harvard like that guy who is on the KOrean lecture circuit talking about Harvard class of 96 and nothing else. |
Agreed. I didn't though so now I would like to make as much money as I can in this field. |
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socratesocks
Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Location: Gwangju, Met City
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:41 am Post subject: |
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Hong Kong public schools. That's where the money is and you already qualify. |
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JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:44 am Post subject: |
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socratesocks wrote: |
Hong Kong public schools. That's where the money is and you already qualify. |
Really? Where is the best place online to apply/browse for those jobs?
I'll be in Hong Kong for a few days on my way back from europe this summer. I can check it out in advance. |
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socratesocks
Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Location: Gwangju, Met City
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:47 am Post subject: |
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They hire once a year in like January or February, but who knows there might be teaching spots opening up if people leave their posts mid-semester (those normally aren't the schools you want though). The threads here on the international forums will guide you to all the good websites and give you all the info you need. |
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Robot_Teacher
Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Location: Robotting Around the World
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 6:52 am Post subject: |
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I guess I didn't expect to make the $50K to $150K a year teaching like I had hoped for in a job dealing with high science that no one is hiring for today. Most people I've known either have money or good job through being born into it by luck or they're simply someone poor of modest means. It's always been nepotistic the world over regardless of country and time period with the exception of the mid to late 20th century America where the men went to a trade school after WW2 on their GI Bill and got great jobs that led to great careers allowing home ownership and raising of families with no worries and big beautiful cars in the driveway with practically all the free oil and gas you wanted surrounded by huge green yards full of big oak trees. Don't expect the economic level and ease of gaining it most seen in their time as this is a new age on Earth and that was a special time due to a upward cycle of America becoming great much like how the short live dot com boom was in the 90's except it lasted 60 years or more for them. Now, back home, only ones with money are inheriting old money. Whatever happened to successful rags to riches. Asia baby, but not for ESL'ers; just a cog job.
Teaching is lower, I mean very lower, middle class in both Korea and America though America can pay a bit more with added benefits like student loan reduction or forgiveness, but it's a hard hard job in America. Uh, Wall Street and big firms aren't hiring so forget it for now. Try to save and invest? |
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socratesocks
Joined: 18 Mar 2009 Location: Gwangju, Met City
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 7:06 am Post subject: |
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It's not lower class in America. I know lower class in America and teaching is solidly middle class. |
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JMO

Joined: 18 Jul 2006 Location: Daegu
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 8:05 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the advice Socrates. i'll check that out in the morning. I'd also add another question to this thread.
Anyone studying something online at the moment that they find interesting/beneficial? It doesn't have to be education related. |
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The_Source

Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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Xuanzang wrote: |
You should have been a lawyer or accountant if you wanted to make money. Teaching is peanuts unless you went to Harvard |
The same is true for lawers and accountants. I know a guy who went to a 2nd-tier law school, and he can't find a job that pays more than 42K. |
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azzwell
Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: where the girls from Super Junior cannot find me
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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Hong Kong public schools. That's where the money is and you already qualify. |
Actually sorry to say you do not qualify. While it is true that they do not require a teaching cert, they are having huge numbers of applicants for Hong Kong, it is called the NET scheme by the way.
That being said, you need a teaching cert and a CELTA to have even half a chance to get hired.
I can speak from experience as I applied and did not even get an interview with the following qualifications:
Five years experience
CELTA
BAed
BS History
I was told that they are so swamped with applicants that you pretty much need a masters to get in at this time.
The money is great though. |
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egrog1717

Joined: 12 Mar 2008
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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Xuanzang wrote: |
You should have been a lawyer or accountant if you wanted to make money. Teaching is peanuts unless you went to Harvard like that guy who is on the KOrean lecture circuit talking about Harvard class of 96 and nothing else. |
Depends on your definition of being well off I suppose... High school teachers in Ontario (that's in Canada for you out of town folks ) start at 55k a year, moving up to 100k after 10... More if you become a department head... Twice as much if you become a principal. |
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Insomnia
Joined: 17 May 2009 Location: koreanwikiproject.com
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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azzwell wrote: |
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Hong Kong public schools. That's where the money is and you already qualify. |
Actually sorry to say you do not qualify. While it is true that they do not require a teaching cert, they are having huge numbers of applicants for Hong Kong, it is called the NET scheme by the way.
That being said, you need a teaching cert and a CELTA to have even half a chance to get hired.
I can speak from experience as I applied and did not even get an interview with the following qualifications:
Five years experience
CELTA
BAed
BS History
I was told that they are so swamped with applicants that you pretty much need a masters to get in at this time.
The money is great though. |
About how much do teachers there make? |
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azzwell
Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Location: where the girls from Super Junior cannot find me
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:04 pm Post subject: |
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low end is about 3500$ us up to about 7000$ us plus housing allowance, airfare, lots more vacation than here, no camps. |
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nicam

Joined: 14 Jun 2008
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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Hong Kong public schools. That's where the money is and you already qualify. |
The NET program is so competitive they are currently rejecting many credentialed candidates with masters degrees in ed. The salary is over $50,000 USD a year depending on qualifications.
OP, if you want to make education your life's work you really should consider completing a masters program. It would open so many more doors for you and would surely pay off in the end.
If you are American you could do an internship back in the states (many of these are for high needs areas, which may be a challenge, but it's a short period of time, and certain states are easier than others) and the gov't would subsidize it for you. And while you want to steer clear of degree mills, state and city schools are totally acceptable when it comes to masters and credentials in education. The cheaper the better.
If you must go the online route, well... you have plenty of down time at that PS or uni job. I found the online programs (the ones that weren't degree mill scams anyway) to be quite expensive, as in upwards of $15,000. Honestly though, it will pay for itself in the long run. |
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