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The Gipkik
Joined: 30 Mar 2009
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| I'm afraid D.D. is a classic solipsist. There isn't much that anyone can do to change his mind. RIP |
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kabrams
Joined: 15 Mar 2008
Location: your Dad's house
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:06 am Post subject: |
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| I go out of my way to eat as many types of Korean food as I can without eating beef and pork. I am not aloof and try to talk to the students as much as possible. As I said a certain fraction of the teachers in a rural area decided I was rude because I didn't speak Korean during my second year here. I have taught in many schools in China before here and lived in many countries. I am just saying that I am being driven out of my school by a very conservative bunch of individuals. It happens to a lot of us around the country. It is not a personal thing, except that westerners that tend to bend to fit in and keep a low profile do well here. The guy before me lasted 2 months before they fired him. I lasted 19 months. Our school still has many teachers that sometimes come to school drunk. |
Your problem is that you're operating as if they're suddenly going to come over to your side because you're "right". They're Korean! It's the same as someone going to the United States and trying to reason with Americans over some cultural stuff.
It's not going to go in your favor if you don't know how to be culturally pleasing (?) to the people around you.
I get where you're coming from, though. Can't you just say too much beef/pork makes you ill and you didn't want to make a big deal out of it? I mean, coming out of the gate all like, "I'M A VEGETARIAN, DON'T TREAD ON ME!" can be kind of annoying, even in places where vegetarians are common. |
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Hobophobic
Joined: 16 Aug 2004
Location: Sinjeong negorie mokdong oh ga ri samgyup sal fighting
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:12 am Post subject: |
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| D.D. wrote: |
I go out of my way to eat as many types of Korean food as I can without eating beef and pork. ....
....Our school still has many teachers that sometimes come to school drunk. |
So do you eat chicken and fish?...eggs?...dairy products?....just curious not that it is any of my business...I do feel it should be all or nothing though if it is an issue of animal cruelty...take off the leather shoes and belt as well...
Also, my Korean is shameful for how long I have been here, but how deep is this not learning Korean...is it you simply don't put any effort in to it, or do you know a bit...say reading and writing...survival Korean?
IME some Koreans are super sensitive when it comes to food and how they equate it tends to be within their realms of bonds...
Sometimes you're lead to feel and believe your not accepting that jejudo ddong dwaiji mok samgyup sal wrapped in a lettuce leaf is much like telling a kid on xmas morn that Santa is not real, and even if he were he would not visit the likes of you. then slapping them up side of the head to make sure it is the last thing they think about before being sent back to bed with no pancake breakfast....
Atleast the food they are offering is the good stuff(sorry but MEAT IS DINNER for me)...I always have them trying to make me eat fruit, and I can't stand most kinds...texture especially makes me gag, but juice is all good....I do accept it and eat it though if it has been offered...can't enjoy everything all the time...
I am the guy they call the cops on though who is BBQing a meat feast on Sundays up on the roof of my villa and making all their clothes smell mmm mmmm good.... |
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ekul
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
Location: [Mod Edit]
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:50 am Post subject: |
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I got told I eat like a Korean today at school. Nicest thing they have ever said to me.
On another note, learn to read hangul, I didn't believe people either that it was so damn easy but it is. Once you can read the back of those little shitty drinks they give you all the time, you've made a lasting impression. |
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gregoriomills
Joined: 02 Mar 2009
Location: Busan, Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:03 am Post subject: Re: xenophobia |
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Hey DD!
Get with it! Your teachers hate you because you're in their country (for 1 whole year?) and refuse to learn their language or eat their food (2 things Koreans are very prideful about)!!!! And judging by your post, your not the most subtle of people... Would it kill you to say a few nice things about Korea to your K teachers, especially if you personally refuse all things Korean? And you call yourself open minded? Maybe in the big, open mind of yours you could stuff some "people skills"?? |
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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:28 am Post subject: |
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Based on your previous posts and how you relate to fellow human beings (coming right out of the gate insulting people) I'm going to assume that the 'not eating pork' is just an excuse and, in reality, they just find you insufferable to deal with.
I'm sure Canada will be glad to have you back. |
Another personal attack from harlow the wet blanket. I guess you have problems with people stating their opinions on exercise. Mid-brained people always feel that people talking from higher lobes are being condesending. That is because most people think intellect is the highest goal. As a complement to you you have a very well developed intellect, but people expressing views past intellect are not talking down to you. It is because of the part of the brain that you are listening from that you think they are being a jerk. I remember when I first started meeting some people that were very good at talking from certain lobes of their brain I thought they were being rude. I assure you all I was doing was stating an opinion. For your reaction to be so severe it means that your intellect must be holding onto certain perspectives over others.
As they say the words only point at ideas so please don't get caught up in the words. |
No modern psychologist I've read about, talked to, or heard about has ever refered to people by "the lobes of the brain" they talk from...for record, there isn't any "mid-brain" people unless you had brain surgery.
Troll....or idiot |
Mid-brain person is a term used to describe someone who has developed a high intellect. The way their brain is set up they tend to move towards being like the character Spock. They filter other people's words through this intellect missing out on most of the emotional content. They get the facts but not the meaning.
Many people is the modern world are like this and it is a tool for many to try to make themselves appear more advanced than basic uneducated people. Problem being that the intellect is often thinking this is the highest state for a human mind.
Other people develop their minds further by learning how to be intellectual but also work on the abilty to feel and process emotions. This gives them the abilty to feel and think about soemone is saying.
These type of people are what are referred to as higher brain people.
As higher brain people tend to be rare and are a new emerging trend these terms are not very common. It is quite easy to feel where someone is writing or speaking from in their brain if one has a acute senses combined wth intellect.
It is only to help people that I even point out when they are stuck in their intellect. It is like seeing soemone sitting at the middle of a mountain believing they have made it to the top. While sitting at the middle they start trying to stake out territory by defeating other egos. What they end up with is just having their ego fighting other egos. Some of us just say hello there look up and notice that you have more brain areas to develop. Dont get stuck in your mid brain as it is painful . Problem is the intellect thinks it being attacked and struggles to survive. Intellect starts to think who is this jerk to point out stuff beyond what it can coprehend. Getting a lot off topic here.
It does actually explain why many Korean teachers are they way they are. Their korean ego or intellect has trouble accepting different rythems and feels threatened by areas outside the intellect. |
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bundangbabo
Joined: 01 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:44 am Post subject: |
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I'm not a big fan of DD but I'm going to stick up for him...
Why the shagging hell can't he eat what he wants? I thought we were living in a free country last time I heard...
Do you think Koreans stuff their suitcases full of crappy ramen when
they go abroad because they like trying the local cuisines of other places.
Tell you a true story - in March we got a load of new teachers at my public school and one of them is this middle aged Korean language teacher - anyway on her first day - she came up to me in the staffroom and said 'OK - lets go to lunch'
And I replied 'I don't eat the lunch here - I have brought some sandwiches' and she gave me a look of disgust and stomped off without a word.
What followed was questions about 'why I hate Korean food' - which followed to 'why I hate Korea?'
'Listen sweetness' I said 'I'll eat what I bloody well want, now sod off'
Thats it.
It is all about a bunch of social retards who hate anything that is dfferent to them trying to assert control over you.
You are despised if you are not seen as part of their borg collective - the Koreans I have worked with are some of the most easily offended people I have ever met.
Just imagine if I changed everything about myself to placate the people I worked with - would I be accepted or even liked? Probably not!
The best people in my school are the kids - no joke! |
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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:58 am Post subject: |
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I'm not a big fan of DD but I'm going to stick up for him...
Why the shagging hell can't he eat what he wants? I thought we were living in a free country last time I heard...
Do you think Koreans stuff their suitcases full of crappy ramen when
they go abroad because they like trying the local cuisines of other places.
Tell you a true story - in March we got a load of new teachers at my public school and one of them is this middle aged Korean language teacher - anyway on her first day - she came up to me in the staffroom and said 'OK - lets go to lunch'
And I replied 'I don't eat the lunch here - I have brought some sandwiches' and she gave me a look of disgust and stomped off without a word.
What followed was questions about 'why I hate Korean food' - which followed to 'why I hate Korea?'
'Listen sweetness' I said 'I'll eat what I bloody well want, now sod off'
Thats it.
It is all about a bunch of social retards who hate anything that is dfferent to them trying to assert control over you.
You are despised if you are not seen as part of their borg collective - the Koreans I have worked with are some of the most easily offended people I have ever met.
Just imagine if I changed everything about myself to placate the people I worked with - would I be accepted or even liked? Probably not!
The best people in my school are the kids - no joke! |
Amen brother. I gave up the pain of wasting energy to please the masses years ago. I work to help situations around me without imposing my stuff and do not bow to the people who believe there is a certain way of acting and being. Imagine living a life of acting in a way to please others and live up to their morals and delusions. Yuck. |
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bundangbabo
Joined: 01 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:22 am Post subject: |
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I'm not a big fan of DD but I'm going to stick up for him...
Why the shagging hell can't he eat what he wants? I thought we were living in a free country last time I heard...
Do you think Koreans stuff their suitcases full of crappy ramen when
they go abroad because they like trying the local cuisines of other places.
Tell you a true story - in March we got a load of new teachers at my public school and one of them is this middle aged Korean language teacher - anyway on her first day - she came up to me in the staffroom and said 'OK - lets go to lunch'
And I replied 'I don't eat the lunch here - I have brought some sandwiches' and she gave me a look of disgust and stomped off without a word.
What followed was questions about 'why I hate Korean food' - which followed to 'why I hate Korea?'
'Listen sweetness' I said 'I'll eat what I bloody well want, now sod off'
Thats it.
It is all about a bunch of social retards who hate anything that is dfferent to them trying to assert control over you.
You are despised if you are not seen as part of their borg collective - the Koreans I have worked with are some of the most easily offended people I have ever met.
Just imagine if I changed everything about myself to placate the people I worked with - would I be accepted or even liked? Probably not!
The best people in my school are the kids - no joke! |
Amen brother. I gave up the pain of wasting energy to please the masses years ago. I work to help situations around me without imposing my stuff and do not bow to the people who believe there is a certain way of acting and being. Imagine living a life of acting in a way to please others and live up to their morals and delusions. Yuck. |
I don't know you as a person - just your online persona but I do believe you are a good teacher who tries their best in giving the students decent lessons.
You are never going to win with your co-teachers - mine admit that they are scared of the in-coming new native teacher in case they are scathing of their English abilities. Some are going to be scared of you and some are going to hate you - so their idea of putting you in your place is to chide you over your eating habits and your knowledge of Korean - rest assured - even if you spoke intermediate Korean - it wouldn't be good enough for your colleagues and it would just be used as more ammunition to be mocked.
They remind me of a weedy lion tamer cluching to the whip to keep at bay the stronger, bigger, more powerful lion - take away their whip and you expose these idiots for the gutless cowards that they are...
Anyone who works in a PS in this country knows what the score is - even in the better ones - the best you can hope for is to be left alone to do your own thing - as for the crappier Public Schools - just do a search on this forums for some proper horror stories!  |
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Oreovictim
Joined: 23 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:54 am Post subject: |
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| bundangbabo wrote: |
Tell you a true story - in March we got a load of new teachers at my public school and one of them is this middle aged Korean language teacher - anyway on her first day - she came up to me in the staffroom and said 'OK - lets go to lunch'
And I replied 'I don't eat the lunch here - I have brought some sandwiches' and she gave me a look of disgust and stomped off without a word.
What followed was questions about 'why I hate Korean food' - which followed to 'why I hate Korea?'
'Listen sweetness' I said 'I'll eat what I bloody well want, now sod off'
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Even if you liked the food, I wouldn't eat with your coworkers, either. Perhaps she started after this incident, but weren't you the one who had the rude coworkers? They'd laugh at your last name or something?
At my last gig, I'd stay in and eat the food. Then the hagwon canceled the food service for the kids, and the director's mom made the lunches. Man, the lady couldn't cook. Just the smell of her cooking would make me want to throw up. So every day, I'd just go out at lunch. It was nice to get away. Plus, it was spring, too.
Anyway, after a while, the Korean staff would give me cold looks, and always say, "How come you don't eat here anymore?" I didn't understand it. When I did eat there, they'd ignore me anyway. I heard that right after I left, they made a rule: Nobody is allowed to leave the building at lunch time. What kind of fascist academy won't let their workers go outside? |
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 10:06 am Post subject: |
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This post is quite interesting. As one who worked at the same school for 6 yrs I went through stages in the eating. At the beginning I couldn't do it. The food was god awful. So I ate away from the school everyday. That lasted over a year. Then I brought my lunch, that lasted about 6 months. Then I think I would check out the lunch, if it was all red, I would eat away.
I never heard complaints about the food or not liking Korea. Maybe because I had a Korean wife they couldn't really pull that crap. I just let it be known I don't eat spicy food and that was that.
Eating with Korean teachers is funny as hell (and at times disgusting). They all eat like they are still in the military. Guys sit with guys, gals with gals.
I do miss not having to prepare a lunch everyday though. |
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AmericanExile
Joined: 04 May 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 10:43 am Post subject: |
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| I find some Koreans are happy if there is something, any Korean food that I like. |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:01 am Post subject: |
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| It sounds like the OP is making very little effort to fit in. Make a tiny effort to speak some Korean, bring baked goods into the staff room to share once in a while, and be civil- it goes a very long way. |
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E_athlete
Joined: 09 Jun 2009
Location: Korea sparkling
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:40 am Post subject: |
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yeah well like it or not if you dont act like you like korean culture you will be disliked. Is it fair? no. But the world isn't fair and humans are pretty emotional even in the 21st century.
I'm going to korea and even though i dont speak a word of the language other than "yes/no" but I plan to self study and try learning korean from the people i meet there. Learning korean will be a good survival tool living there.
I actually really like korean food so i wont have to pretend i like it.
It should be evident to you know that people do not want their culture or religion criticized. If I tell people in korea that their food sucks, guess what, they most likely will have an emotional response to it the same way Canadians over here get enraged when you criticize anything about Canada. People are stupid and you need to learn to adapt to your surroundings.
let me explain how you exploit their emotions. You basically cater to them by telling them how great their food is, how awesome korea is and behold these people will actually like you. When you complement their culture they feel 'good' and when they feel this positive emotion around you they will start to like you. This only works on emotional people and from what I've heard and experienced it applies to most people including koreans. |
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The Gipkik
Joined: 30 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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| This is such a silly thread--as if normal Koreans are going to despise or hate or like or love someone merely because they like the food. Even in a hick town! If a teacher thinks he or she has lost the respect of colleagues and coteachers because of the food, then you're a few bricks short of a load. Ridiculous. |
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