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is so delicious
Joined: 28 Apr 2009
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 Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:53 am Post subject: No more subway tickets?? |
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The past few days there are no ticket machines and no tellers selling tickets. You have to get a card, which takes a bit more time and which, to my complete bewilderment, requires a deposit.
Does anyone know why they stopped selling subway tickets, and whether it is a temporary or permanent thing? |
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Robot_Teacher
Joined: 18 Feb 2009
Location: Robotting Around the World
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 2:59 am Post subject: |
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They started doing this on Children's day weekend 6 weeks ago and had T money people working to educate the public how to use the machines. I don't understand why the exit machines simply don't eat the cards like the way they did the paper tickets.
You can get a card collection going and then everyone now and then, cash them in for your obagwon coins instead of being slowed down on each exit. I had like 10 cards from 10 rides in a weekend and cashed them out at the last station I visited.
I'd say it's a permanent thing for at least the next 5 years as they got new computerized English speaking card vending machines with English menus in place. |
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tefain
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Location: Not too far out there
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 3:58 am Post subject: |
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It's permanent. It was done to save money by replacing the disposable paper tickets with reusable cards.
From the KT-
According to the city, the card is reusable after retrieval and will save 3 billion won per year, with the cost of making 450 million paper tickets said to be 6.8 won each.
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/06/117_43587.html
If you're going to visit Seoul more than once, just get a T-money card. |
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is so delicious
Joined: 28 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:47 am Post subject: |
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| So why the hell is there a deposit required?? Any ideas? |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:01 am Post subject: |
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| is so delicious wrote: |
| So why the hell is there a deposit required?? Any ideas? |
T-Money cards at convenience stores or anywhere else costs money. I paid like 10,000w for my cell phone keychain one.
You pay a deposit to prevent people from going up to the machine, buying a crapload of 1,000 subway cards, and then sitting out in front of the subway exit peddling the cards. |
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Panda
Joined: 25 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 5:25 am Post subject: |
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Stupid post removed by panda herself.
Last edited by Panda on Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:59 am; edited 1 time in total |
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tefain
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Location: Not too far out there
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| is so delicious wrote: |
| So why the hell is there a deposit required?? Any ideas? |
Since the cards are supposed to be recycled to save money, it's to make sure they aren't kept or tossed aside, like Korail tickets often are.
I'm guessing the reason for not simply being able to put them in the turnstile is that they would all have to be refitted to take the cards. It's also easier for the workers to collect them from a couple of the machines than from each turnstile exit. |
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robot
Joined: 07 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I use my T-money card so it's never no fuss. |
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Robot_Teacher
Joined: 18 Feb 2009
Location: Robotting Around the World
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Tefain definitely makes a valid point. Also the turn styles could fill up and someone has to be called to empty it which would disrupt traffic with a frustrated mob pile up at the exit. People would just jump or climb over to exit in that case which would be a system failure. |
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chris_J2
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:13 pm Post subject: New Cards |
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| I'm intrigued how the new cards can be reused, when there are no magnetic stripes or barcodes visible? |
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kiknkorea
Joined: 16 May 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| robot wrote: |
| I use my T-money card so it's never no fuss. |
I hear you.
It's cheaper in the long run, and it's easier to keep up with than the paper tickets ever were. AND I can buy goodies from the vending machines with it while waiting for the train.  |
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Robot_Teacher
Joined: 18 Feb 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:54 am Post subject: Re: New Cards |
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| chris_J2 wrote: |
| I'm intrigued how the new cards can be reused, when there are no magnetic stripes or barcodes visible? |
RFID or other sort of short wave radio frequency microchip that communicates with the exit machine. |
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mld
Joined: 05 Jan 2009
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| tefain wrote: |
From the KT-
According to the city, the card is reusable after retrieval and will save 3 billion won per year, with the cost of making 450 million paper tickets said to be 6.8 won each.
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Here (http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2903934) is another article from when the cards first came out that explained that the cost of the machine upgrades is 67.9 billion. It'll take 21-22 years to make that up in the savings. So I'd say the new system is gonna be around for a while.
On another note, in my looking up this article, I found another on the new (and late) line 9: http://joongangdaily.joins.com/article/view.asp?aid=2906006. I've been wondering why it hasn't started up (though today I did see some progress at Express Bus Terminal with the tunnel to the new line as well as some updated signs pointing the way.... |
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