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Straphanger
Joined: 09 Oct 2008 Location: Chilgok, Korea
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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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Yu_Bum_suk wrote: |
Last year kids I started teaching in third-year middle school (i.e. grade 9) graduated from our combined high school. If I walked into a club to see one of them stripping I think I'd faint. |
After the first table dance you start to get comfortable with it. It's not really hot, it's just really funny...especially when the bouncer knows what's up and he's air-fiving you from across the room.
Hey, a girl's gotta make a living. |
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Cheonmunka

Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:43 am Post subject: |
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To the guys who would faint/run away if they go into a strip club and see an ex-student: What are you doing in the strip club in the first place?
And besides, the ex-student you most likely don't really know well - I mean, I know my students' names but forget them soon enough and barely recognize them later - and, it's not like she's your sister, and she's obviously an adult. Nothing creepy in that, unless you think strip clubs and the sexy thing is creepy. In that case why would you enter one ..?
A woman is a woman. A relative of course is something else entirely. But, a woman you've talked to a few times? Same as any other woman, I guess.
I don't know how I'd react as it's never happened to me. Not one to enter strip clubs myself .. |
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DCJames

Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:55 am Post subject: Re: ever see an ex-student in a "compromising" sit |
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Johnny_Bravo wrote: |
The subject heading was not meant to be lurid. I just couldn't think of a better way to phrase in a line what I want to say.
Here's the story:
walking around very late this weekend, I recognized an ex-student of mine coming out of one of those hanky panky norebang places with a friend /co-worker? who had that look to her. You know the look, the one that says - hanky panky.
She was wearing way too much makeup but I recognized her anyways - she was a very tall girl and quite pretty - possibly the prettiest girl in her class.
She was only my student for a very brief time (several classes really) , as she was a senior in high school when I started and seniors at my school don't have English in their 2nd semester sr year.
Anyways, I kind of felt sad. I wish she had better options, though I suppose that's what happens when you're from a low socioeconomic area, go to a vocational hs and while there spend your time looking at yourself in the mirror 99% of the time.
I suppose it's still certainly a better option than working in some sweat shop or at a mcjob - so long as what she's doing is of her own free volition.
Though I fully support the existence and legality of hanky panky establishments, I'll admit I felt a little sad. Would have probably been sadder if I had her as a student for a longer time.
Anyone else ever come across ex students in somewhat similar circumstances?
I have this image of say Yum Bum Suk ordering "coffee" only to have an ex student show up on his doorstep
p.s. I am not suggesting YBS is a coffee drinker or even orders "coffee", (although if he does, that's fine by me) but he's a good e.g. as someone who's been around a certain place for several years) |
If I was this girl's parents, I'd be very worried about YOU. You seem obsessed over her. Forget her. Her life is really none of your damn business. Stop fantasizing about her.
Also, you have no idea what's really going on with her. Who knows why she was there?? Why are you trying to be a hero and save her in your daydreaming mind of yours?? Seems like your just make excuses to get into her life.
Do you have any friends outside of work? You should hang out with them.
What a crazy demented nutjob you are...  |
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kirya
Joined: 14 Apr 2008
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:00 am Post subject: Re: ever see an ex-student in a "compromising" sit |
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DCJames wrote: |
If I was this girl's parents, I'd be very worried about YOU. You seem obsessed over her. Forget her. Her life is really none of your damn business. Stop fantasizing about her.
Also, you have no idea what's really going on with her. Who knows why she was there?? Why are you trying to be a hero and save her in your daydreaming mind of yours?? Seems like your just make excuses to get into her life.
Do you have any friends outside of work? You should hang out with them.
What a crazy demented nutjob you are...  |
I think you are misinterpreting his post. He isn't obsessed or fantasizing in any way or form. He just saw an ex-student in a situation where she is most likely giving "massages" and wondered if anyone else has ever seen this.
And don't forget; personal attacks are personal . Be nice! |
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Johnny_Bravo

Joined: 27 May 2009 Location: R.O.K.
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:28 am Post subject: |
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thank you. I'm not sure where these suggestions of "being obsessed" over the girl are coming from.
complete lies. I can't be obsessed over someone I never really knew (or really taught for that matter
I really only remember her because I think she was the prettiest girl I saw around school when I arrived and the tallest. I don't think I remember a single other girl from that graduating class (and there were VERY few of them)
the fact I remember her and note she's pretty doesnt mean I'm "obsessed" either, it simply means I have a functioning pair of eyes that are attached to my brain and process the visuals/information seen.
if I start looking for her now on the strip you can call me obsessed, but be ready to wager a lot of money and lose it, since that isn't going to happen. |
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kiknkorea

Joined: 16 May 2008
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:58 am Post subject: |
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Goku wrote: |
OP I totally feel your sadness.
I know too many pretty girls that fell into the deepths of "depravity" and it just makes me kind of mull why such a travesty occurs.
But here's a technique I use to erase that guilt:
Let's say it's the ugliest girl in your class that did this. The remorse and pity you have might reverse into feelings of "oh what a *beep*" or "that girl has some serious issues". It might also get you thinking that you might only be taking pity because she's a pretty girl that was "lost" to a world of sluttiness. For any other girl, who wasn't pretty, she would not recieve the same weight of pity as a gorgeous one. Which makes us aware of our own bias.
Keep in mind though, girls who did this, made their choices. A pretty girl in times of bad economy still can choose not to do "slutastic" things (I use the word slutty because we don't actually know if what she is doing consitutes as whoring). Very often do we hear of poor girls who forced into prositution becuase of no economic alternatives. Do not get that confused with your student. She could have been a worker in any find retail establishment. They all jump on pretty faces for hire. She choose (if she is whoring) to take easy money making ways out. Not a decent job.
I hate to say it, but when I really think deep down inside, we shouldn't be taking pity on people who turn to prosititution. We've developed a soft spot because we feel they are being exploited. Unless she's being forced to do it to pay for her father's gambling bills, she's essentially reduced herself.
But I feel you OP. I had a good friend go this slutmanical route. Initially I felt bad, and it ate at my very conciousness. But as I observed her changes in life and why she had become like this, I realized it wasn't out of desperation, it was out of sheer laziness and greed. She epitimozed everything I hated and I was taking pity on her.
Sorry for the use *beep* and *beep*, as I can find no kinder or less graphic adjectives. |
Yeah, everyone has their own reasons/stories.
I think it's pretty sad either way.
Here's a site that tells both sides of the issue that's worth a look.
http://prostitution.procon.org/ |
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