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beercanman



Joined: 16 May 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:38 am    Post subject: Are some people too smart? Reply with quote

I come from a very smart family, not bragging, it's a fact. My best friends are extremely intelligent guys, yet they are not happy or well off, nor am I. I sometimes wonder, does having a good brain interrupt happiness, just a bit? It is easy to see through all the crap that people, politics, life entails. Too easy really for any of us who are not dead on brains...poor expression.

Odd question I guess. Maybe I shouldn't drink so much.
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warren pease



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hemingway once said, "happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know."

He also drank too much.

However, by your age he was an established, successful writer.
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shapeshifter



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 5:40 am    Post subject: Re: Are some people too smart? Reply with quote

beercanman wrote:
I come from a very smart family, not bragging, it's a fact. My best friends are extremely intelligent guys, yet they are not happy or well off, nor am I. I sometimes wonder, does having a good brain interrupt happiness, just a bit? It is easy to see through all the crap that people, politics, life entails. Too easy really for any of us who are not dead on brains...poor expression.

Odd question I guess. Maybe I shouldn't drink so much.




People who claim, or in your case imply, that they are too clever for this world are tiresome. People who do so while using phrases like "Too easy really for any of us who are not dead on brains" are embarassing.

If you want an explanation for problems and those of your friends and family, I'd widen my search to include factors other than excessive intelligence.
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Chet Wautlands



Joined: 11 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 5:50 am    Post subject: Re: Are some people too smart? Reply with quote

shapeshifter wrote:

If you want an explanation for problems and those of your friends and family, I'd widen my search to include factors other than excessive intelligence.


I like this quote.

OP, when I was younger I felt I was likely one of the smartest people alive. I overcame this delusion when I figured out there were plenty of things I couldn't do. I can't write poetry that others will want to read, I can't always beat my younger sisters at checkers, etc... if you're really smart, go out and prove it to the world. Do something!
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 6:28 am    Post subject: Re: Are some people too smart? Reply with quote

Chet Wautlands wrote:
...when I was younger I felt I was likely one of the smartest people alive. I overcame this delusion when I figured out there were plenty of things I couldn't do... if you're really smart, go out and prove it to the world. Do something!

absolutely, it keeps one humble and grounded and aware of the genius of others, that even if one is above average at some mental tasks, just look at the wealth of others

too smart to be an architect? engineer? scientist? mathematician? computer programmer? doctor, literary novelist? chess champion? quiz master?

one of the defining characteristics of intelligence is the need to use brain power, use it or lose it, and the truly intelligent work the muscle constantly

the LAST thing an intelligent person is is lazy Exclamation

teaching english in korea and getting drunk a lot, and what? what do you do at least 2-3 hours a day to stimulate that oh so intelligent brain of yours? nothing? then it's all vanity and resting on past laurels

it's amazing how many people think they are so smart, yet so very few aced tests and got straight 'A's without breaking a sweat, so few learn new things with a snap of their fingers
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flakfizer



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's impossible to be too smart. However, it is very possible for people to pretend to be too smart. Simple people may be happy because they just don't see the problem. Moderately intelligent people might be unhappy because they do see the problem. More intelligent people are happy because they can fix the problem or adjust accordingly. Moderately intelligent people often assume happy people to be simple. Seeing happy simpletons doesn't bother them because they take solace in the "fact" that while they are less happy, they are smarter. But the idea that there are people out there who are smarter than they and happier is not one they can accept.
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AmericanExile



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Voltaire's "Story Of The Good Brahmin" is about this exactly.
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beercanman



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:10 am    Post subject: Re: Are some people too smart? Reply with quote

VanIslander wrote:

the LAST thing an intelligent person is is lazy Exclamation


A fact, is it? I get your thought. Many a smart person has come and gone, lazy or not.
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beercanman



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:19 am    Post subject: Re: Are some people too smart? Reply with quote

[quote="shapeshifter"]
beercanman wrote:
I come from a very smart family, not bragging, it's a fact. My best friends are extremely intelligent guys, yet they are not happy or well off, nor am I. I sometimes wonder, does having a good brain interrupt happiness, just a bit? It is easy to see through all the crap that people, politics, life entails. Too easy really for any of us who are not dead on brains...poor expression.

Odd question I guess. Maybe I shouldn't drink so much.




People who claim, or in your case imply, that they are too clever for this world are tiresome. People who do so while using phrases like "Too easy really for any of us who are not dead on brains" are embarrassing.



OK. Really, it was a serious question. Not so clever, just curious. Was it not a worthwhile question? Now you must reply, as you know, haha.
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blurgalurgalurga



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's pretty much a truism that some people are too smart for their own good. Also, as far as teaching goes, I've had lots of kids who are pretty lazy, and do well enough, but don't put in the effort to really excel. They figure they don't need to. Maybe they're right, I dunno.
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MollyBloom



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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

warren pease wrote:
Hemingway once said, "happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know."

He also drank too much.

However, by your age he was an established, successful writer.


He also won a bet with a 6 word story: "For sale: Baby shoes. Never worn."
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ChopChaeJoe



Joined: 05 Mar 2006
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a question to ponder with drinking buddies. Nature has a way of figuring everything out. For an intelligent person with a will to create beyond him/herself, the challenge will spur higher order challenges that will eventually become unsurmountable. For others, vices will eventually level the playing field.

In any case, emotional intelligence is just as important as figuring out the next in a sequence of numbers, or what a collection of shapes form when put together, or knowing what the opposite of niggardly is.
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you familiar with the term "Asperger syndrome"?
A victim of this bug is intelligent in some ways but not so intelligent in other ways.
Sounds like the gene is running through your family too.

It seems like it affected both my father and me.
I wish I found out about it while my father was alive.
It would have done him a lot of good if I told him about it.

If you're not already familiar with this term, look it up.
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beercanman



Joined: 16 May 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nah, no Asperger's (ass burgers?) in my clan, just a bunch of other crap, more than enough actually. I reckoned you had that going on.

Heard of it long ago. I believe David Byrne from Talking Heads is a famous person with that.

Mild insanity and cleverness, not a rare combo.
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tfunk



Joined: 12 Aug 2006
Location: Dublin, Ireland

PostPosted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, are you intelligent? How do you know you are intelligent? Is it a belief or do you have tangible proof? Make a list of the evidence you have that you are intelligent. What have you produced? Feeling sorry for 'your kind' is egotistical pampering, the same pampering every mother gives her child's hand-drawn painting.

Spending a lot of time thinking is not evidence that you are intelligent, particularly if you do not produce anything substantial from your thinking. As another poster suggested, it could be symptomatic of psychological dis-ease or condition.

Thinking about the negative aspects of the world is generally seen as more intellectual than smiling and whistling but I'm not of the opinion that thinking and intelligence are synonymous.

Wisdom is organized life. If you are intelligent, then you have a tool by which to define and approach the issues of life.
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