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Zantetsuken
Joined: 21 Dec 2008
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 Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:21 pm Post subject: Non-renewal of PS Contract (thrown under the bus) |
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So the year is coming to a close and they let me know in the VP's office that the education office won't be renewing my contract for a 2nd year in the PS system.
Of course when I ask for specific reasons..they can't give me any..even though it must have been the same people which gave me a crap review for the education office. All they did was show me a piece of paper that has my name, age and 불합격 on it.
I've been here over 4 years so I know how things work around these parts. My job performance was pretty decent...but if you don't look like an EBS douche or kiss anus...well you know what happens.
Anywho......anybody else get the proverbial pink slip? |
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dean_burrito
Joined: 12 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry to hear that. Do ya have a plan?
I almost wanted to fail my evaluation just so I'd have a reason to move to another country.
I hope things work out for you and that you can manage to make the most of things. Good luck. |
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Robot_Teacher
Joined: 18 Feb 2009
Location: Robotting Around the World
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| Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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Looks like the pink slip trend has hit Korea. In America, some 300,000 to 600,000 per month during the past year are getting the boot. This is making from some precarious financial positions and reinventing of careers along with a big squeeze where you have 1000 people jockeying for 1 opening.
While it's not quite that dramatic in Korea, there's restructuring taking place which requires you to get a new job. I just hope my bet on a 3X bearish ETF called, "FAZ," in anticapation of another market downturn like back in March due to the economy only getting worse despite recent investor optimism wins me some bonus bucks to lift my boat a few notches. |
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bundangbabo
Joined: 01 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry to hear it mate, I told the school I am at that I didn't want to renew knowing that they were going to give me the push with 61 days notice but now they have decided to give me a bad reference to anyone who will listen meaning that I am unemployable in the PS system for this time being.
I'm off to China for a bit - good luck with all your future endeavours old chap - I will be looking over the forum from time to time... |
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hamlet712
Joined: 16 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 12:58 am Post subject: Re: Non-renewal of PS Contract (thrown under the bus) |
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| Zantetsuken wrote: |
So the year is coming to a close and they let me know in the VP's office that the education office won't be renewing my contract for a 2nd year in the PS system.
Of course when I ask for specific reasons..they can't give me any..even though it must have been the same people which gave me a crap review for the education office. All they did was show me a piece of paper that has my name, age and 불합격 on it.
I've been here over 4 years so I know how things work around these parts. My job performance was pretty decent...but if you don't look like an EBS douche or kiss anus...well you know what happens.
Anywho......anybody else get the proverbial pink slip? |
Its amazing that they would have such a thing as a performance review to evaluate your value to the school. I mean they actually want to CHECK if your teaching is of a certain quality in a school? Those heartless bastards.
YEs, i am sure these "people" at the education office wake up and say "how can I screw the foreign teacher I am evaluating today.
So you have been here for 4 years, that should be long enough to know that if you do your job well, and do it without too much complaint, and that it doesnt hurt to kiss a little ass in ANY profession, that you will keep the job indefinately.
By your own admission your teaching was "decent" not excellent but decent ( your own word not mine)
i am guessing you are another classic example of a sub par teacher whining that the evil Korean people are screwing you over, without looking at yourself and saying "what DIDNT I DO to keep this job and show them its not even an option to not sign me for another year.
With the amount of teachers SMOE has to vent, assist and train every year they want NOTHING MORE than to sign teachers for multiple years. The odds that this comes down to some guy in an office screwing yo over ar slim to none.
Sorry man, but you get no sympathy from me based on what you have written. |
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dean_burrito
Joined: 12 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:13 am Post subject: |
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I wouldn't be so fast to say he was dismissed because of teaching skills alone. I've been told I should eat rice everyday despite the fact I'm having noodles as well. Another friend of was told during his evaluation to stop mixing things into his rice.
Anyways ease of up the fellow I'd reckon this isn't one of his better days. Also it's just fair and decent to let someone know why they are getting canned. |
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hamlet712
Joined: 16 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:33 am Post subject: |
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Kay a couple things
1) Koreans mix stuff in with thier rice all the time, so I am sure something was lost in translation there. They could have simply been trying to share a Cultural norm, Ive never seen a korean mix ( as in STIR thingsin thier rice, but i see them drop kimchi in and scoop them up together.
When i was first here I was told never to eat rice out of a bowl with chopsticks, its considered rude.
Its almost like we are in a different country or something eh?
2) You arenot going to be fired or not renewed because you mix stuff into your rice......."yeah John Joe is a KICK BUTT teacher, but theres this issue with him mixing his meat with his rice, so theres no way we can keep him on staff. ( roars of applause errupt as they rid this outsider mixer of food into rice)
3) he says hes gotten thrown under the bus, provides no evidence for it and then admits that he is NOT a great teacher ( hes a decent one) and that he doesnt kiss ass, or apprently look the part ( not sure what his school dress style is) I go by what he says, and he says that he sucked at a performance review and did a sub standard job of teaching.
4) He should have gotten a copy of the performance review, and If he didnt, he should have known to ask for it, its one of these things called a record of your teaching, and its one of those things that will either CONTRADICT the fact that he is not a good teacher and should have been renewed, or support it.
5) hes coming on to vent, Im venting about his venting. |
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Countrygirl
Joined: 19 Nov 2007
Location: in the classroom
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 2:23 am Post subject: |
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Yup! Not really given the pink slip but given the "we-can't-afford-you" slip. I kinda knew that this was going to happen but still surprised. English 101 -- The definition of an oxymoron is a Korean that says "Trust me!"
I'll post more later. Ultimately, though, we are going back to Canada. There's not enough to keep us here. The low tax rate is not enough. |
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D.D.
Joined: 29 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 2:49 am Post subject: Re: Non-renewal of PS Contract (thrown under the bus) |
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| hamlet712 wrote: |
| Zantetsuken wrote: |
So the year is coming to a close and they let me know in the VP's office that the education office won't be renewing my contract for a 2nd year in the PS system.
Of course when I ask for specific reasons..they can't give me any..even though it must have been the same people which gave me a crap review for the education office. All they did was show me a piece of paper that has my name, age and 불합격 on it.
I've been here over 4 years so I know how things work around these parts. My job performance was pretty decent...but if you don't look like an EBS douche or kiss anus...well you know what happens.
Anywho......anybody else get the proverbial pink slip? |
Its amazing that they would have such a thing as a performance review to evaluate your value to the school. I mean they actually want to CHECK if your teaching is of a certain quality in a school? Those heartless bastards.
YEs, i am sure these "people" at the education office wake up and say "how can I screw the foreign teacher I am evaluating today.
So you have been here for 4 years, that should be long enough to know that if you do your job well, and do it without too much complaint, and that it doesnt hurt to kiss a little ass in ANY profession, that you will keep the job indefinately.
By your own admission your teaching was "decent" not excellent but decent ( your own word not mine)
i am guessing you are another classic example of a sub par teacher whining that the evil Korean people are screwing you over, without looking at yourself and saying "what DIDNT I DO to keep this job and show them its not even an option to not sign me for another year.
With the amount of teachers SMOE has to vent, assist and train every year they want NOTHING MORE than to sign teachers for multiple years. The odds that this comes down to some guy in an office screwing yo over ar slim to none.
Sorry man, but you get no sympathy from me based on what you have written. |
Wow you are a nice guy.How many years of meditation did you do to be able to relate to others so much. I feel blessed to have known you. what a cool guy you are. Please keep the cheer squad going for the rest of us. keep the love flowing bro. |
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hamlet712
Joined: 16 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:06 am Post subject: Re: Non-renewal of PS Contract (thrown under the bus) |
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| D.D. wrote: |
| hamlet712 wrote: |
| Zantetsuken wrote: |
So the year is coming to a close and they let me know in the VP's office that the education office won't be renewing my contract for a 2nd year in the PS system.
Of course when I ask for specific reasons..they can't give me any..even though it must have been the same people which gave me a crap review for the education office. All they did was show me a piece of paper that has my name, age and 불합격 on it.
I've been here over 4 years so I know how things work around these parts. My job performance was pretty decent...but if you don't look like an EBS douche or kiss anus...well you know what happens.
Anywho......anybody else get the proverbial pink slip? |
Its amazing that they would have such a thing as a performance review to evaluate your value to the school. I mean they actually want to CHECK if your teaching is of a certain quality in a school? Those heartless bastards.
YEs, i am sure these "people" at the education office wake up and say "how can I screw the foreign teacher I am evaluating today.
So you have been here for 4 years, that should be long enough to know that if you do your job well, and do it without too much complaint, and that it doesnt hurt to kiss a little ass in ANY profession, that you will keep the job indefinately.
By your own admission your teaching was "decent" not excellent but decent ( your own word not mine)
i am guessing you are another classic example of a sub par teacher whining that the evil Korean people are screwing you over, without looking at yourself and saying "what DIDNT I DO to keep this job and show them its not even an option to not sign me for another year.
With the amount of teachers SMOE has to vent, assist and train every year they want NOTHING MORE than to sign teachers for multiple years. The odds that this comes down to some guy in an office screwing yo over ar slim to none.
Sorry man, but you get no sympathy from me based on what you have written. |
Wow you are a nice guy.How many years of meditation did you do to be able to relate to others so much. I feel blessed to have known you. what a cool guy you are. Please keep the cheer squad going for the rest of us. keep the love flowing bro. |
Yep, give me a call next week, we can sit by the campfire, hold hands and sing kumbaya.
You HONESTLY think they just don't want to resign him on a whim eh? You think it has nothing to do with his service level or commitment?
I'd love to know how much the children liked him, the other teachers, the parents, how many extra curricualr activities was he involved in, how often was he late, stayed late, how did he handle vacation with them, did he teach after school classes ( which are actually part of your working hours anyway) did he teach and additional classes offered on a regular basis by the districts.
Perhaps he did a lot and was loved and he got shafted, but by his glowing reference of himself and the fact that apparently kissing his bosses butt is beneath him, I am guessing he acted more like a paycheck teacher. I have no other info to base an opinion on, but thats the one I have at the moment based on what little he offered
Listen guys there are GREAT teachers here, there are bad teachers here, and there are "decent" teachers here. You can't cry foul if you are not a member of the GREAT teacher group when a company doesnt want you.
RE-signing with SMOE is NOT an automatic, they evaluate you and DECIDE on it. Them deciding not to re sign you is not throwing you under the bus. And as a member of SMOE i know they basically fall all over themselves to re sign good teachers, and the provide excellent incentives to stay multiple years.
if they don't want this dude then I am way more inclined to beleive its because of his work ethic as opposed to a rogue korean administrator, and his use of the word decent and suggestion that he didnt give his bosses a warm cozy feeling inside backs it up. |
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dean_burrito
Joined: 12 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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OK, I never said that how you eat your rice will get you fired. What I am saying is that some people notice that stuff and for some reason it becomes worth mentioning during reviews.
Things for me were fine and dandy till I was hospitalized. Now no one talks about how I eat my rice because basically only one person will even eat lunch with me anymore.
The OP probably does have more than he's telling and I'd bet it's not all teaching related considering he already worked two years at SMOE. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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Kay a couple things
1) Koreans mix stuff in with thier rice all the time, so I am sure something was lost in translation there. They could have simply been trying to share a Cultural norm, Ive never seen a korean mix ( as in STIR thingsin thier rice, but i see them drop kimchi in and scoop them up together. |
Who cares what Koreans usually do with their own food? The OP no doubt experienced the same thing many of us non-Koreans have gotten when we begin to eat our own food the way we like it: "You shouldn't do that. It's not proper. The Korean way is blah-blah-blah."
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| When i was first here I was told never to eat rice out of a bowl with chopsticks, its considered rude. |
Horse manure. I've seen many Koreans eating rice out of a bowl using chopsticks.
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| Its almost like we are in a different country or something eh? |
It's almost like the OP's trying to eat their own food in peace, isn't it?
2) You arenot going to be fired or not renewed because you mix stuff into your rice......."yeah John Joe is a KICK BUTT teacher, but theres this issue with him mixing his meat with his rice, so theres no way we can keep him on staff. ( roars of applause errupt as they rid this outsider mixer of food into rice)[/quote]
And you know this how? Seems to me the OP asked for specifics and got nothing other than "non-renewal" in response.
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| 3) he says hes gotten thrown under the bus, provides no evidence for it and then admits that he is NOT a great teacher ( hes a decent one) and that he doesnt kiss ass, or apprently look the part ( not sure what his school dress style is) I go by what he says, and he says that he sucked at a performance review and did a sub standard job of teaching. |
There's nothing wrong with a school having a decent teacher. Maybe you like to think you're the best on the planet, maybe not. I find it kind of refreshing that someone admits that they're not the best. If the OP's a decent teacher, then that's certainly not a reason to can them.
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| 4) He should have gotten a copy of the performance review, and If he didnt, he should have known to ask for it, its one of these things called a record of your teaching, and its one of those things that will either CONTRADICT the fact that he is not a good teacher and should have been renewed, or support it. |
Or it's one of those nifty "confidential" reports containing the OP's total score for renewal qualification and neither the school nor the POE is going to provide a copy of it.
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| 5) hes coming on to vent, Im venting about his venting. |
I'd venture that more than a few people would call your posts something other than venting.
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hamlet712
Joined: 16 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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Kay a couple things
1) Koreans mix stuff in with thier rice all the time, so I am sure something was lost in translation there. They could have simply been trying to share a Cultural norm, Ive never seen a korean mix ( as in STIR thingsin thier rice, but i see them drop kimchi in and scoop them up together. |
Who cares what Koreans usually do with their own food? The OP no doubt experienced the same thing many of us non-Koreans have gotten when we begin to eat our own food the way we like it: "You shouldn't do that. It's not proper. The Korean way is blah-blah-blah.
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| When i was first here I was told never to eat rice out of a bowl with chopsticks, its considered rude. |
Horse manure. I've seen many Koreans eating rice out of a bowl using chopsticks.
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| Its almost like we are in a different country or something eh? |
It's almost like the OP's trying to eat their own food in peace, isn't it?
2) You arenot going to be fired or not renewed because you mix stuff into your rice......."yeah John Joe is a KICK BUTT teacher, but theres this issue with him mixing his meat with his rice, so theres no way we can keep him on staff. ( roars of applause errupt as they rid this outsider mixer of food into rice) |
And you know this how? Seems to me the OP asked for specifics and got nothing other than "non-renewal" in response.
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| 3) he says hes gotten thrown under the bus, provides no evidence for it and then admits that he is NOT a great teacher ( hes a decent one) and that he doesnt kiss ass, or apprently look the part ( not sure what his school dress style is) I go by what he says, and he says that he sucked at a performance review and did a sub standard job of teaching. |
There's nothing wrong with a school having a decent teacher. Maybe you like to think you're the best on the planet, maybe not. I find it kind of refreshing that someone admits that they're not the best. If the OP's a decent teacher, then that's certainly not a reason to can them.
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| 4) He should have gotten a copy of the performance review, and If he didnt, he should have known to ask for it, its one of these things called a record of your teaching, and its one of those things that will either CONTRADICT the fact that he is not a good teacher and should have been renewed, or support it. |
Or it's one of those nifty "confidential" reports containing the OP's total score for renewal qualification and neither the school nor the POE is going to provide a copy of it.
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| 5) hes coming on to vent, Im venting about his venting. |
I'd venture that more than a few people would call your posts something other than venting.[/quote]
I said i was TOLD that it was rude to eat rice form a bowl with chopsticks. I too have seen many Koreans do it, doesnt change that I was TOLD this fact and that some Koreans like to point out their own personal breed of ettiquite.
Im not the best teacher either, I have my issues, but I am love by the studnets respected by the admins, and I work damn hard to make sure that I am seen in a positive light.
As for the rest of what you have said, whatever, I choose to take the more intelligent side of the argument that there was something wrong with his teaching that he won't admit, as I said, SMOE falls all over themselves to re sign a teacher, and there has to be something significantly wrong to NOT want to rehire him
Its really that simple to anyone with any intelligence whatsoever. |
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Johnny_Bravo
Joined: 27 May 2009
Location: R.O.K.
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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OK, I never said that how you eat your rice will get you fired. What I am saying is that some people notice that stuff and for some reason it becomes worth mentioning during reviews.
Things for me were fine and dandy till I was hospitalized. Now no one talks about how I eat my rice because basically only one person will even eat lunch with me anymore.
The OP probably does have more than he's telling and I'd bet it's not all teaching related considering he already worked two years at SMOE. |
you became an outcast because you were hospitalized?
for what? (I'm sure they all knew)
that doesn't quite add up either.
not having anyone eat with you can be a bonus though. You don't get the ferociously stupid why don't you eat more rice questions and you don't have to fidget there and wait until everyone else with you is finished eating. |
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Hightop
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Koreans can be quite sensitive when it comes to their food. The other day there was sauce that we could put on the fish. I didn't put it on and the nurse asked me why I didn't have any sauce. I said the sauce was not delicious so I didn't want any. Then the music teacher pulled me aside and told me I can not say that someting is not delicious, I must say "it is delicious but I don't want to eat it" 
But if there is no rice with the meal.......wow, its like they are gonna tear open a live piglet in protest, 'its not a meal if there is no rice', 'we can't eat lunch with no rice'. Then when they are done I have to hear cries of 배고파, 배고파, 배고파 all afternoon. |
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