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MollyBloom
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 Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:33 am Post subject: Happy Bloomsday!!! |
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Just thought I'd give a shout out to all the Joyceans on here! Live the day happily and don't get usurped!
Ulysses: http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/4300 |
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MollyBloom
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:53 am Post subject: |
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- I am the resurrection and the life. That touches a man's in most heart.
- It does, Mr Bloom said.
Your heart perhaps but what price the fellow in the six feet by two with his toes to the daisies? No touching that. Seat of the affections. Broken heart. A pump after all, pumping thousands of gallons of blood every day. One fine day it gets bunged up: and there you are. Lots of them lying around here: lungs, hearts, livers. Old rusty pumps: damn the thing else. The resurrection and the life. Once you are dead you are dead. That last day idea. Knocking them all up out of their graves. Come forth, Lazarus! And he came fifth and lost the job. Get up! Last day! Then every fellow mousing around for his liver and his lights and the rest of his traps. Find damn all of himself that morning. |
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beercanman
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Sorry, I have no idea what that was, but man, it was painful to read. I guess that makes it good? Definitely different than almost everything else at least. |
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richardlang
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Don't you need a separate reader/supplement for Ulysses to get the full effect/meanings? |
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jgrant85
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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LOL for a second I thought this post said "Happy Doomsday".  |
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blade
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| beercanman wrote: |
| Sorry, I have no idea what that was, but man, it was painful to read. I guess that makes it good? Definitely different than almost everything else at least. |
You found that painful? Really??? |
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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| richardlang wrote: |
| Don't you need a separate reader/supplement for Ulysses to get the full effect/meanings? |
The Annotated Ulysses by Don Gifford is a wonderful reference book for the novel. If you haven't studied Irish history, especially late 19th/early 20th century Irish history, a lot of the political references won't be understood. |
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beercanman
Joined: 16 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 12:11 am Post subject: |
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| blade wrote: |
| beercanman wrote: |
| Sorry, I have no idea what that was, but man, it was painful to read. I guess that makes it good? Definitely different than almost everything else at least. |
You found that painful? Really??? |
Not really. Just thought it was junk, to be honest. |
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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 5:33 am Post subject: |
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| beercanman wrote: |
| blade wrote: |
| beercanman wrote: |
| Sorry, I have no idea what that was, but man, it was painful to read. I guess that makes it good? Definitely different than almost everything else at least. |
You found that painful? Really??? |
Not really. Just thought it was junk, to be honest. |
Joyce's Ulysses. Episode 6: "Hades" Lines 669-81. (pages 103 or 105, depending on the edition of the book.)
The episode focuses on Paddy Dignam's funeral. In the selected passage, one of the main characters, Leo Bloom, sarcastically imagines the anatomical reality of death. |
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MollyBloom
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beercanman
Joined: 16 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:54 am Post subject: |
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Sorry Molly, still thought it was junk. What is or was he into anyway? Crap prose? Just my opinion mind you.
WB Yeats, Seamus Heany (sp)?, even McNiece I can dig. Joyce? nah. Guess I like the poems more. Did one course in Irish poetry, was good stuff.
Louis McNeice's (how ever you spell his name) "prayer before birth".. damn that kills yo |
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MollyBloom
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| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| beercanman wrote: |
Sorry Molly, still thought it was junk. What is or was he into anyway? Crap prose? Just my opinion mind you.
WB Yeats, Seamus Heany (sp)?, even McNiece I can dig. Joyce? nah. Guess I like the poems more. Did one course in Irish poetry, was good stuff.
Louis McNeice's (how ever you spell his name) "prayer before birth".. damn that kills yo |
Joyce had some good poetry. He had a collection of 36 short lyrics called Chamber Music and some other single poems published by Ezra Pound. Pomes Penyeach was a collection of poems. "Gas From a Burner" was a reaction to the printing/publishing industry.
Here's Chamber Music: http://www.theotherpages.org/poems/joyce01.html
And Pomes Penyeach: http://www.lit.kobe-u.ac.jp/~hishika/joycepoem_i.htm
"Gas From a Burner" : http://groups.google.com/group/alt.books.james-joyce/msg/9293e8a84ff978c9
I wholly agree with you about Yeats and Heaney. Heaney's poetry is so green and mossy and ripe. Sorry to use those words but I immediately think of the fertile, moist ground of Ireland in his poetry.
On another note, I took an Anglo-Saxon class from a professor named Daniel Donoghue, who was friends with Heaney and edited his edition of Beowulf. Sometimes I would visit him in his office hours and we would drink Uisce and he would tell me about the drawings of Grendel Heaney had made for him. No real explanation was needed for they hung on his wall!
Anyway, look over Joyce's poetry for a lark. If you don't like it, fine. At least you tried it! |
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reactionary
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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The only thing cool about Joyce is that he went back and forth between Europe teaching English.
While I don't really enjoy his writing, I feel that connection with the old man. I suppose Berlitz teachers can take extra pride. |
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MollyBloom
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| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| reactionary wrote: |
The only thing cool about Joyce is that he went back and forth between Europe teaching English.
While I don't really enjoy his writing, I feel that connection with the old man. I suppose Berlitz teachers can take extra pride. |
Yes, you are correct! He taught mostly in Italy, but did help a few friends in Paris from time to time. |
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reactionary
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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I believe he absolutely hated it too, and got cheated left and right. Which is a further connection for many of us...ESPECIALLY Korea-Berlitz teachers. 
Oh, you were supposed to teach in Rome, well..um..here's a post in Trieste.
I think we've all heard that before!
funny that beercanman has posted a lot in this thread. Imagine how smart Joyce felt teaching English to a bunch of rich Italians! He followed the money just like some of us did.
I like the guy. He's just a flowery, dense writer. For some reason I can excuse it in foreign writers like Celine, Chekov, Dostoevsky...but that's probably due to the mercy of the translator. Maybe if I didn't read English, I'd enjoy Joyce's translations.  |
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