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lhasa
Joined: 26 Jan 2008
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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:38 pm Post subject: Holiday July 17th ?? |
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it's constitution day. my hagwon says it used to be a school holiday but not anymore.
anyone know for sure ?? |
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Goon-Yang
Joined: 28 May 2009 Location: Duh
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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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Yep. If it's red it's a holiday. It's not a holiday. I don't think it has been for 2 or 3 years. |
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Otherside
Joined: 06 Sep 2007
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Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2009 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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Ditto, no longer a Public holiday. |
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Robot_Teacher
Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Location: Robotting Around the World
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:43 am Post subject: |
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Darn, that's too bad that they weren't going to allow a 3 day weekend in the middle of Summer. I get the gist that the government rigged the holidays for people to do nothing, but work all the time. Holiday or not, the mechanics and truck drivers are working 7 days a week and lucky if they get off early on Sunday. Many guys live to work and drink and nothing else. It's bang clang clang in these little auto and tractor repair shops every Sunday and holiday such as Childrens day with a small sweatshop nearby running each and every day. Never a quiet peaceful day at home.
I think it's only right to have holidays and not rig the calendar for them to fall on the weekend. Sometimes, holidays can inadvertently fall on the weekend, but most countries will allow a Friday or Monday off to compensate. People need time with family, BBQ, camping, fishing, and tripping for life to really mean anything. While it's necessary to work and have the occasional drink, I think workoholic/alcoholics are the most dull meaningless people. |
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BigBuds

Joined: 15 Sep 2005 Location: Changwon
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:18 am Post subject: |
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Robot_Teacher wrote: |
I think it's only right to have holidays and not rig the calendar for them to fall on the weekend. |
Moron.
How can they rig it for most of the public holidays to fall on a weekend when the dates of said public holidays don't change?
Granted, this year sucks for public holidays. I've been here 8 years and have always had plenty of public holidays fall on working days. 2009 has been the worst year for public holidays falling on weekends during that 8 years but it sure as hell isn't rigged that way. |
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polonius

Joined: 05 Jun 2004
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 7:30 am Post subject: |
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BigBuds wrote: |
Robot_Teacher wrote: |
I think it's only right to have holidays and not rig the calendar for them to fall on the weekend. |
Moron.
How can they rig it for most of the public holidays to fall on a weekend when the dates of said public holidays don't change?
Granted, this year sucks for public holidays. I've been here 8 years and have always had plenty of public holidays fall on working days. 2009 has been the worst year for public holidays falling on weekends during that 8 years but it sure as hell isn't rigged that way. |
Hey Big Buds, didn't you know that Korea has been behind the setting of the Julian calendar to coincide with the National holidays of 2009. How can you be so obtuse? This has been in the works since 46 B.C. just to screw some people out of holidays.  |
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Robot_Teacher
Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Location: Robotting Around the World
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Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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You didn't know that most of the holidays were forced onto Saturday and Sundays with other holidays being eliminated? But with Childrens Day on a Tuesday, one that didn't get changed, people really took advantage of that to make it a 4 or 5 day weekend as they knew it's the only other long weekend other than Chuseok in October. I've researched this and it's confirmed to be true. The country wants the people to work as to add value to the country for the good of the country. That's all it is.
As a hagwon owner and long time veteran in Korea, I know you're defensive about Korea to get it's work done and make lots of money, but Korea is changing away from what we had hoped it would be. That leaves a lot to be said. |
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BigBuds

Joined: 15 Sep 2005 Location: Changwon
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:45 am Post subject: |
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Robot_Teacher wrote: |
I've researched this and it's confirmed to be true. |
Well, some evidence to prove it might be nice. I'd like to see where they have changed the dates of the public holidays as you said they have. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 3:42 am Post subject: |
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Robot_Teacher wrote: |
You didn't know that most of the holidays were forced onto Saturday and Sundays with other holidays being eliminated? But with Childrens Day on a Tuesday, one that didn't get changed, people really took advantage of that to make it a 4 or 5 day weekend as they knew it's the only other long weekend other than Chuseok in October. I've researched this and it's confirmed to be true. The country wants the people to work as to add value to the country for the good of the country. That's all it is.
As a hagwon owner and long time veteran in Korea, I know you're defensive about Korea to get it's work done and make lots of money, but Korea is changing away from what we had hoped it would be. That leaves a lot to be said. |
Nonsense. The holidays (the actual dates do not change and have NOT been changed) are still there. Next year there will be more of them falling on weekdays. That in itself proves your theory wrong. 2009 is simply a bad year for them (it happens every 6-7 years where you have fixed holidays and don't move them forwards or backwards). |
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blackjack

Joined: 04 Jan 2006 Location: anyang
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 6:42 am Post subject: |
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plus korean holidays run off two calendars. The lunar and the Julian, which is why some holidays can fall on the same date some years and not others |
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Robot_Teacher
Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Location: Robotting Around the World
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:46 am Post subject: |
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OK, holidays are fixed and I can't cite my statement that they're manipulated to offer fewer work days off, but it's apparent they mostly fall on weekends and Sunday is considered a weekly holiday so Korea can boast it offers the most holidays of any country in the world. Look at Constitution day being removed to demonstrate a move to fewer holidays. I find it hard to believe that most holidays would naturally fall on weekends by accident, but they do and then no Friday or Monday given off in lieu of them. At home, if the Memorial Day or other holiday falls on a Saturday or Sunday, then a Friday or Monday is given in lieu of the lost paid time off. I found something where a political party tried to get a bill passed to do this in Korea last December, but it was thrown on the back burner and nothing more said.
Only 3 days for Chuseok, the most important holiday to Koreans, which also falls on a weekend? Other than Chuseok on October 2nd, a Friday, Christmas is the next holiday on a weekday which is also a Friday. I guess this best meets the needs of a workaholic country as I'm seeing people work 7 days a week all around me who even worked Childrens Day making for no single early morning and day a quiet day. Not even Sunday morning is quiet as it's, "bang clang clang knock kock rattle ringle rolle and engines roaring with smokey breezes from trash fires and diesel engines in close vicinity." I'm getting angry about all the noise and smoke, sometimes as late as 11:30 at night and then people can't quiet down before 2AM with all this loud stomping and chomping. So much anxious tension in Korean living. I'm like thinking, "chill and take some damned time off or take your work elsewhere." I don't like Korea so I'm not staying any longer than necessary. I was hoping for peace, quiet, fresh air, and friendly folks by going small town, but all I got was 7 day a week noise, smoke, and people cold as ice as well as the many inconveniences of lacking infrastructure. Heck, one of my schools is still running P1's at dial up speed with the cows mooing outside in deplorable ugly stinky conditions. Ugliest sorriest farm I've ever seen. Koreans could do much much better in all aspects of living for themselves, but fail to speak up and take actions out of saving face.
Good thing I have 5 weeks contracted vacation to get out as one Korean company man I know only gets 5 days a year off, a Saturday through Wednesday break in August with Saturday work every other weekend. 
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kiknkorea

Joined: 16 May 2008
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 8:04 am Post subject: |
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Robot_Teacher wrote: |
OK, holidays are fixed and I can't cite my statement that they're manipulated to offer fewer work days off, but it's apparent they mostly fall on weekends and Sunday is considered a weekly holiday so Korea can boast it offers the most holidays of any country in the world. Look at Constitution day being removed to demonstrate a move to fewer holidays. I find it hard to believe that most holidays would naturally fall on weekends by accident, but they do and then no Friday or Monday given off in lieu of them. |
Did you read what TheUrbanMyth wrote?
This just happens to be a sucky year for holidays since many of them are on the weekend.
There is good news on the horizon however!
In a year or so all of those weekend holidays will be happening during the week.
It's the same reason my birthday isn't always on a Saturday.
Be patient Grasshopper, it will work itself out. |
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polonius

Joined: 05 Jun 2004
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 8:06 am Post subject: |
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Robot_Teacher wrote: |
OK, holidays are fixed and I can't cite my statement that they're manipulated to offer fewer work days off, but it's apparent they mostly fall on weekends and Sunday is considered a weekly holiday so Korea can boast it offers the most holidays of any country in the world. Look at Constitution day being removed to demonstrate a move to fewer holidays. I find it hard to believe that most holidays would naturally fall on weekends by accident, but they do and then no Friday or Monday given off in lieu of them. At home, if the Memorial Day or other holiday falls on a Saturday or Sunday, then a Friday or Monday is given in lieu of the lost paid time off. I found something where a political party tried to get a bill passed to do this in Korea last December, but it was thrown on the back burner and nothing more said.
Only 3 days for Chuseok, the most important holiday to Koreans, which also falls on a weekend? Other than Chuseok on October 2nd, a Friday, Christmas is the next holiday on a weekday which is also a Friday. I guess this best meets the needs of a workaholic country as I'm seeing people work 7 days a week all around me who even worked Childrens Day making for no single early morning and day a quiet day. Not even Sunday morning is quiet as it's, "bang clang clang knock kock rattle ringle rolle and engines roaring with smokey breezes from trash fires and diesel engines in close vicinity." I'm getting angry about all the noise and smoke, sometimes as late as 11:30 at night and then people can't quiet down before 2AM with all this loud stomping and chomping. So much anxious tension in Korean living. I'm like thinking, "chill and take some damned time off or take your work elsewhere." I don't like Korea so I'm not staying any longer than necessary. I was hoping for peace, quiet, fresh air, and friendly folks by going small town, but all I got was more noise, smoke, and people cold as ice as well as the many inconveniences of lacking infrastructure. Heck, one of my schools is still running P1's at dial up speed with the cows mooing outside in a deplorable condition of a farm.
Good thing I have 5 weeks contracted vacation as one Korean company man I know only gets 5 days a year off, a Saturday through Wednesday break in August with Saturday work every other weekend.  |
I don't have the time to poke holes in you "Thoery" as it would be pointless to do. Just answer me this things might be clearer for me. Do you buy into the "New World Order" conspiracy? |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 9:32 am Post subject: |
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Robot teacher has this all figured out.
This year one of may favorite holidays, the March 1st holiday, fell on Sunday. See, they put it on the weekend. It's really a devious attempt to make us all work harder. It should be during the week so we could have a day off. But, NO! There it is, right between February 28 and March 2, on Sunday which is already a day off. They were really clever to hide this conspiracy between two other regular days. They've been plannning this holday conspiracy for hundreds of years so we'd all have to work harder in 2009. The fiends. |
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kiknkorea

Joined: 16 May 2008
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Posted: Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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ontheway wrote: |
Robot teacher has this all figured out.
This year one of may favorite holidays, the March 1st holiday, fell on Sunday. See, they put it on the weekend. It's really a devious attempt to make us all work harder. It should be during the week so we could have a day off. But, NO! There it is, right between February 28 and March 2, on Sunday which is already a day off. They were really clever to hide this conspiracy between two other regular days. They've been plannning this holday conspiracy for hundreds of years so we'd all have to work harder in 2009. The fiends. |
With this much ingenuity, one would think they could brew a better beer!  |
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