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[bacasper]

[mises]

State capitalism.

[ManintheMiddle]

Frank Zappa reminded:

[VanIslander]

Thank you op for representing what some Korean men think (I don't doubt your accuracy) but...

I don't come on Dave's to argue with Korean men.

[bacasper]

[RufusW]

Well this thread has deteriorated somewhat so I'll take it marginally off-topic.

casper - check out this video, 'Money as Debt'. It goes a little conspiracy theoryish at the end but I believe the story it tells is mostly correct. It shows why capitalism (or really our capitalism) isn't sustainable and will face collapse. Modern economies always have to grow - and obviously military spending (and consequently wars) are one way to make that happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVkFb26u9g8&feature=fvst

[bacasper]

Yes, I'd seen that video before. It does a very good job of ultimately explaining in simple terms how modern banking works, sort of like a How We Got Into The Current Financial Crisis for Idiots.

[pkang0202]

The way these Korean guys see it, the US has been "provoking" the US in the past 10 years. They blame "Bushee" and say it was US foreign policy that forced NK to test missiles and nukes.

[Julius]

[Leslie Cheswyck]

I say if NK gets themselves the bomb then we let Japan have the bomb. Anything else would be "unfair". Right, there, Mr Kim?

[RufusW]

[Leslie Cheswyck]

Japan could make one overnight if they wanted to.

[vonjunk]

First a quip to RJ, jr.
About half of my family is fighting in Bush's wars and believe in what they are fighting for...so please drop the insulting logo.

South Korea today feeds their people and is if I recall 13th most prosperous economy in the world. North Korea? Well, not even worth mentioning. If the North had won and the UN had not been involved instead of just killing a million in the North with his misguided juche, Kim Il-song would have killed more. The plant rice everywhere (disregarding why rice was not planted in infertile fields must go down as one of the worst Communist inspired disasters) and this would have been followed in the South as well. So, instead of being healthy people free to express themselves as they are today, South Koreans would be fewer in number, poor, oppressed and being sent to Gulags. I don't see Kim Jong-il or Kim Il-song doing things much differently than they did. Bad family is running the show and results are results.

Not to get off topic too much, but handing out resources and distributing everything is not capitalistic, rather, communist/socialist/ect. When governments get too involved in the lives of people and in world affairs bad things happen.

To all of you democrats out there please look into a few things for me if you would:

1. Check out the stock market crash of 1920 and see how it was a bigger crash. See how the reactions of Harding (1920) and that of Hoover/Roosevelt (1929-3. What do you find? What way is best to getting out of financial crisis? (Hint, it's not what is being done in the US at present by Bush/Obama).

2. Look through US wars from 1900-present (World War I&II, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, ect a lot of little ones if you take minute to look). Which political party is the one which is most willing to use the military to whatever ends? What party uses the military to booster the economy and their political aspirations?
Any honest person will see that the lives lost under the Democrats' wars far outnumber anything Republicans have ever done and the worst abuses of human rights were perpetrated by Democrat presidents.

*To clarify I am not a Republican or Democrat, rather an independent. A close study of history has taught me to fear Democratic administrations for they are often accompanied by poorly performing markets, war and taking of freedoms (usually in the guise of a good cause e.g. the newest assault being health care).*

To be fair, when a Democrat politician or left leaning one is in power they may use the military and war money as a way to climb out of financial problems. This problem is that the Democrats do not believe in the free market system, capitalism. Rather, they want to "spread the wealth" (socialist) and curtail the free market, set wages and take control of what they see as a system better controlled than left to its own devices.

To me, the failing of the capitalism is not that it doesn't work, it's that when people become truly rich, they often want to horde off their wealth and deny that to others. In other words they become elites our avant guard who make the decision, or rather take the decisions from everyone else. They sucker votes out of those who wish/want more, preying on their lust for power/wealth (but never giving it to them, rather pushing those who have done well, look at all of the taxes in the US, they are almost all of them garnering new money and the old rich finding every loop hole).
The US is very different to most of Europe which had true classes and a kind of class structure to most societies. The US is so much different, or was so much different in that a poor man could rise above and have the opportunity to change his status in life. No or low taxes, ability to start a business and participate in the free market made it different, yet, the same song and dance, the promise for more handed out for "free" is a powerful draw. The catch is that one loses their ability to make their own choices. As the banks soon learned government money comes with strings.
The socialist path that Europe has taken is flawed and the United States should not follow their stagnant path.
Look at the two Koreas as an example of a grand testament to this. The North toils under a government control of the entirety of life, while the South (though not perfect) allows much more freedom to individuals to decide their fate.
The choice should be obvious.

[RJjr]