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[E_athlete]

you have to be pretty gullible to consider this proof of any kind. This is not even good or enough evidence to believe it on. You have to understand extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The evidence presented falls drastically short on the claims it is making. I have an open mind and I'm willing to believe in reincarnation, but this is not good enough for me or any intelligent person or scientist.

[Tiger Beer]

I followed that entire story, I mean, before seeing the thread here.

Actually that is a regular theme that comes up - that kids can sometimes remember a 'past life'. Although this James/James one seemed pretty exceptional.

[Sergio Stefanuto]

The party making a hypothesis has the burden of providing examples of possible experimental results that would falsify the hypothesis. The party must also demonstrate that (a) such experiments have taken place and (b) if they have taken place, they passed all tests.

This is to science what water is to ice.

Has this taken place with young James? If not, the conclusion that these vids are evidence of reincarnation falls outside that of rationalist epistemology. That's a longwinded way of saying that this evidence is interesting at best, suggestive perhaps, but not conclusive.

edit: I voted "No. I'm ignorant of the fact and choose to remain so"

[AbbeFaria]

Your poll question is not only leading, it's also extremely telling. "Do you accept the FACT of reincarnation." As if reincarnation is already a proven fact and if we don't accept it, we're rejecting sound science that has been tested, retested, verified and proven. Which it hasn't.

There are so many ways this could be a hoax, it's almost ridiculous to even consider it.

-S-

[Rteacher]

Reincarnation is a fact of spiritual science as outlined by Krishna in Bhagavad -gita. The dimension of the individual spirit-soul is stated to be "one-ten-thousandth the size of a tip of a hair" (a theoretical point) which presently is too small to be measured/appreciated empirically by material science.

Here's a nice webpage devoted to explaining reincarnation in various ways ...
http://www.salagram.net/Reincarnation-page.htm

[Fox]

[Sergio Stefanuto]

"spiritual science" is like "married bacholor", as Rteacher's comments subsequent to that expression showed very clearly.

[AbbeFaria]

[Rteacher]

Actually, it's more a case of material science coopting the word science (and it's sad how there's such an imbalence between material and spiritual progress in modern society.)


sci⋅ence  /ˈsaɪəns/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [sahy-uhns] Show IPA
�noun 1. a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws: the mathematical sciences.
2. systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.
3. any of the branches of natural or physical science.
4. systematized knowledge in general.
5. knowledge, as of facts or principles; knowledge gained by systematic study.
6. a particular branch of knowledge.
7. skill, esp. reflecting a precise application of facts or principles; proficiency.
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Origin:
1300�50; ME < MF < L scientia knowledge, equiv. to scient- (s. of sciēns), prp. of scīre to know + -ia -ia

Synonyms:
7. art, technique, method, discipline.

Ancient Vedic culture featured a technical science of spiritual values aimed at understanding Absolute Truth - and which could be verified by subjective experimentation.

The yoga system when progressively followed to its perfectional stage in bhakti (devotional) yoga leads to progressive realization of our constitutional position in relation to total reality, and the characteristic symptoms of each stage of realization have been authoritatively described by transcendentally realized beings.

With respect to complete knowledge of origins of life and the entire cosmic manifestation (including its purpose) empirical approaches are practically useless -other than generating grant money and speculative theories that allow atheists to feel more intellectually respectable.

The impressive technological achievements of modern science won't look so valuable if they culminate in nuclear destruction.

Material science has been placed on pedestal, and other branches of knowledge such as philosophy and religion have been devalued.

Of course, some religions - most notably Christianity - are basically sentimental - and much less philosophical (or scientific) than the original Vedic religion.

However, early Christians understood something about transmigration of souls, and there is no evidence of Jesus ever repudiating the fact of reincarnation.

I like the deep color of this site ...
http://www.realfriendsandfamily.org/reincarnation.html

[ED209]

That's all nice and cozy Rteacher but how do you apply any of this to verify the James leininger reincarnation?

[Rteacher]

Frankly, I haven't researched the case enough to to conclude that it's genuine. It may be fraudulent - as many cases are (usually due to some profit motive.)

Because I firmly accept reincarnation as a fact of spiritual life, I'm inclined to believe that the boy's soul has transmigrated from some other body - whether his story is made up-or-not.

When I (cleverly ) titled this thread "Proof of Reincarnation" I had no intention of limiting "the Proof" to just this one case.

[Tiger Beer]

I'm not one to dismiss reincarnation, as the majority of the people on the world's planet believes in reincarnation. Even early Christians believed in reincarnation. The bible itself is filled with reincarnation - i.e. the prophets, all of the people during Jesus' time continually assumed that Jesus or John the Baptist were reincarnated prophets, etc. So it is even biblical based belief in many senses, even if it isn't a belief in the current form of modern Christianity.

HOWEVER...tying the case of James the boy (even if it were a solid case, which is debateable) into VEDIC, KRISHNA, and Bhagavad-gita is a STRETCH. I do not see that particular connection whatsoever.

[ED209]

[Rteacher]

I'll let people decide for themselves whether it's compelling proof - or not. Although I'm certainly inclined to believe that it can be true, I'm far from certain that it is.

On its face at first viewing, it did appear to be a compelling story - but that may largely be due to great acting and editing.

If it piques someone's interest to investigate reincarnation and its Vedic philosophical foundation further, it will have served its purpose as far as I'm concerned.

Of course, I may be an incarnation of (the fat, bald) Elvis ...
http://www.singsnap.com/snap/r/b7dc8cff
http://www.singsnap.com/snap/r/b4a37079

[Bramble]

I'd like to believe in past lives, but as others have said this really isn't something that could ever be proven.

So if this kid really remembers his past life, why does he remember it? Why have the rest of us forgotten our past lives? Why is remembering the exception and not the rule?