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mavsfan5
Joined: 19 Jan 2009
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:40 pm Post subject: Contract Question (A/C) |
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Before coming to Korea last November, I made sure I had a/c in my contract since I live in the most southern part of the country and it gets HOT. Last week, some men came to install my a/c but apparently the owner of my building was not having it. The next morning, my boss told me that the owner refuses to let me have a/c, saying that no one in the building has a/c and she won't let me either. It's ridiculous if you ask me. I am already burning up and it's not even the peak of the summer season.
All of this being said, I'm just wondering what I should do. My other two co-workers were able to get a/c, but not me. It's in my contract to get it. Any advice would be appreciated. |
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chris_J2

Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:01 pm Post subject: A/C |
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| Get your coteacher to approach the manager or Principal of your school, & request that they go in to bat for you. You will be the one paying the electricity bill for the a/c, not the building manager or owner. It's really none of their business. Get the cellphone number of the obstructionist building owner. Your school probably has it already. |
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cruisemonkey

Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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chris_J2,
I don't sense the OP is working in a public position. Use of the term "boss" and the fact that (as far as I know) no public contracts address A/C under the 'Housing' article, lead me to believe the OP works for a hogwan.
mavsfan5,
You are indeed in a difficult situation.
Did you actually witness the workers arrive to do the installation? I ask this because something doesn't 'add up' about the story... why would the landlord be opposed to A/C?
If your boss truly did attempt to have A/C installed, he/she is also in a difficult situation because there is undoubtedly at least a one-year 'lease' on the apartment.
My advice is to sit down with the boss and (rationally) mention the Labor Relations Commission (Labor Board)... see what happens, and take it from there.
Good luck! |
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chris_J2

Joined: 17 Apr 2006 Location: From Brisbane, Au.
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:11 pm Post subject: A/C |
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| manager or Principal |
= hagwon or public school. Yes, the thought did occur to me, that it might be a hagwon.
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| no public contracts address A/C under the 'Housing' article |
But semantics aside, I have the a/c unit going as I type, & I'm with a public school, although granted, it is not in the contract. I had fans for my first 2 contracts. Luck of the draw, I guess. It will be nice in winter, on reverse cycle, too!
Good advice to contact the LRC. |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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at my last job i made the installation of a/c a term of the contract, stating it as a MUST, and it was installed by the summer
at my present job i made the installation of a/c in each classroom i was teach in (one had it, one didn't) a contract condition
if an employer didn't provide it, i'd say find me a new place that has a/c
it's a basic need for me (like having my passport in my own possession)
one has to decide for oneself where one draws the line
for me, i'd give notice of a specific date by which a/c need to be provided or else i'd have to leave (one month notice is reasonable)
you will get a/c is your employer sees how basic a need it is to you
not communicating one's intentions and one's set unwavering commitments means one will be *beep* on and either one will have to lump it or leave it: stop that by doing a gut check and figuring out how important it is to you |
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cruisemonkey

Joined: 04 Jul 2005 Location: Hopefully, the same place as my luggage.
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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chris_J2,
I see... I took "manager" to mean office/financial/business manager of a PS.
OP,
In K-land, be careful what you wish for. In one of my apartments, the 'air-con' installers ran the ducting to the heat exchange unit and the condensation drain hose through the door channel to my 'balcony'... so there was a 5 cm gap with the sliding door fully 'closed'.
In a different apartment, the 'Skylife guys' ran the coax from the dish through the door channel as well.
I've watched Korean 'plumbers', 'carpenters' & 'electricians'... and come to the conclusion there is no apprenticeship system here. A tool kit for any job consists of: a hammer, an 8" crescent wrench, a pair of pliers and a flat-head screwdriver. If there is a way to possibly 'Mickey Mouse' something, that's the way they'll do it.
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Straphanger
Joined: 09 Oct 2008 Location: Chilgok, Korea
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:23 pm Post subject: Re: Contract Question (A/C) |
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| mavsfan5 wrote: |
| Before coming to Korea last November, I made sure I had a/c in my contract since I live in the most southern part of the country and it gets HOT. |
And if they don't provide it, they're in breach of contract. Get your resume up to date and put them on notice. You'd often be surprised at how "no" turns to "yes" when someone's back is against the wall. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:58 pm Post subject: Re: Contract Question (A/C) |
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| mavsfan5 wrote: |
Before coming to Korea last November, I made sure I had a/c in my contract since I live in the most southern part of the country and it gets HOT. Last week, some men came to install my a/c but apparently the owner of my building was not having it. The next morning, my boss told me that the owner refuses to let me have a/c, saying that no one in the building has a/c and she won't let me either. It's ridiculous if you ask me. I am already burning up and it's not even the peak of the summer season.
All of this being said, I'm just wondering what I should do. My other two co-workers were able to get a/c, but not me. It's in my contract to get it. Any advice would be appreciated. |
First of all, you need to stay calm and don't scream and shout. At the same time you need to be firm and adamant.
Your contract stipulates A/C and you need it. So, you have to insist on it.
But, the building owner not allowing it is a problem I faced many years ago when I was working at a different school. The owner didn't want any holes drilled in his exterior walls, didn't want to allow A/C, he was really stubborn.
I insisted and said that without it I would have to move. I could no longer live in this place, it was impossible, I wouln't be able to sleep so I wouldn't be able to work etc.
The hogwan owner knew, the building owner knew, someone would have to cave in and it wouldn't be me.
Put in the A/C, or I move to a better place with A/C, or I don't teach.
For the record, I didn't follow my own advice, I screamed and shouted a bit. I think this is a bad idea, but I couldn't help it. Maybe it helped. Maybe it made things worse.
Finally, with pressure from the hogwan owner and me, the building owner caved in. He wasn't there when the installers arrived and I got everything installed the way I wanted and he was really mad about where they put everything. But it was too late for him to stop it then.
Stand your ground.
Good luck. |
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VanIslander

Joined: 18 Aug 2003 Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:06 am Post subject: |
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above all,...
use the language of "need"
have a pained expression, like you are caught having to give bad news: that you must have it
there's absolutely no need for anger nor for haughty self-righteous contract waving or kingly demands
"i can't live or work where it's so hot and sweaty, for me, i can't handle it, sorry but i absolutely need air conditioning"
that sort of attitude
stand your ground, but do so with the right attitude |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:11 am Post subject: |
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| cruisemonkey wrote: |
In K-land, be careful what you wish for. In one of my apartments, the 'air-con' installers ran the ducting to t | | | |