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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| mises wrote: |
| No. Remember, war mongering is different in proportion to jaywalking enforcement mongering. |
Same form of argument: if you really support <government policy x>, you must sign up to help enforce <government policy x>. The difference in proportion is totally irrelevent; each is an example of governmental policy which a citizen's tax dollars and the labor of willing citizens are used to enact. Trying to avoid having to face the invalidity of your argument by using another invalid argument that proportion is somehow relevent is silly.
When you're ready to join the police force, you can ask me about the military again. Until then, you can't walk the walk, so your talk is just talk. Feel free to keep chanting that it's not proportional, as if that were somehow relevent.
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| I watched this exact same discussion (oh, isn't it terrible how Saddam treats his people, why doesn't the international community do something) just a few years ago. |
And I genuinely wish the international community had acted in a truly unified, effective fashion with a solid purpose behind them so my country wouldn't have done as it did. It would have been a very nice moment for humanity for the world to rise up as one to deal with the very real humanitarian issues of Iraq. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| And I genuinely wish the international community had acted in a truly unified, effective fashion with a solid purpose behind them so my country wouldn't have done as it did. It would have been a very nice moment for humanity for the world to rise up as one to deal with the very real humanitarian issues of Iraq. |
Oh yeah? What humanitarian disaster? SH was a voice of reason compared to what "the people" there actually want to do to each other.
Iraq was better off under him. The international community (which does not exist) would be better served trying to figure out how to stop America from causing crisis after crisis with dumbass invasions and meddling. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| mises wrote: |
Oh yeah? What humanitarian disaster? SH was a voice of reason compared to what "the people" there actually want to do to each other.
Iraq was better off under him. The international community (which does not exist) would be better served trying to figure out how to stop America from causing crisis after crisis with dumbass invasions and meddling. |
Thanks for your reasoned assessment, I'll take your vigorous support for Saddam Hussein and his policies as noted henceforth. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, please do. SH could have been America's best friend in the region.
During the run up to the war I went to a little talk by Noam Chomsky in Montreal. He outlined what the outcome of the invasion would be (he was 100% correct) and pointed out that the run up to the war began with the NYT, LAT, WSJ et al running "humanitarian crisis" stories about Iraq. "Humanitarian" types are naive and easily manipulated.
America will be on the verge of war when the New York Times starts crying about starvation in the DPRK with increased frequency. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 9:31 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| mises wrote: |
Oh yeah? What humanitarian disaster? SH was a voice of reason compared to what "the people" there actually want to do to each other.
Iraq was better off under him. The international community (which does not exist) would be better served trying to figure out how to stop America from causing crisis after crisis with dumbass invasions and meddling. |
Thanks for your reasoned assessment, I'll take your vigorous support for Saddam Hussein and his policies as noted henceforth. |
Do you have any idea what we have done to that country, "the cradle of civilization?
You can start to find out by googling "depleted uranium." |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:48 am Post subject: |
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| And I genuinely wish the international community had acted in a truly unified, effective fashion with a solid purpose behind them so my country wouldn't have done as it did. It would have been a very nice moment for humanity for the world to rise up as one to deal with the very real humanitarian issues of Iraq. |
Oh yeah? What humanitarian disaster? SH was a voice of reason compared to what "the people" there actually want to do to each other.
Iraq was better off under him. The international community (which does not exist) would be better served trying to figure out how to stop America from causing crisis after crisis with dumbass invasions and meddling. |
Crisis after Crisis? get a clue Mises. We invaded Iraq. thats 1 crisis the intantionalc ommunity wasnt behind.
Incase you forgot, the international community including the arab nations DID support our efforts in afghanistan,
The way you talk is a GROSS exxageration trying to make it sound like as if this US went and invaded nation after nation after nation, hence your term "dumb ass invasion"S" " Which henceforth, is full of crap.
The US is not Germany pre-ww2. |
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kcs0001
Joined: 24 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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A good source of information from the Federation of American Scientists
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/dprk/nuke/index.html
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/index.html
The response first strike would be one of many, but probably sea-launched Trident II D-5 Fleet Ballistic Missile or a Trident I. (Regime ending)
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/slbm/c-4.htm
Whatever happens, if the DPRK were stupid enough to attack, they would get hit with firepower from every horizon (Front, back, left, right) 180 degrees. Pyongyang's ability to communicate terrestialially as well as its above ground cars and computers will be deststoyed as a result of a massive magnetic pulse.
The DPRK ground troops while good, would get chewed up by airborne clamshells(cluster bombs), automatic canon (20mm & 30mm-think really big bullets) from AC 130s & Thunderbolts
In addition, from what I hear, there are geosynchs above that look like stars at night. They have several optical, infrared, "low light" and through the clouds capability. These sats are com w/ land sea air man/unmanned.
No classified info here, this is all available at stratfor.com
Oh yeah, China doesn't want responsibility for the DPRK carcass. |
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