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Rusty Shackleford
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Well, if you don't have money from where does your wealth spring?
This is about Rockefellah, and the talk would be nothing other than money. I can't see what other wealth you might be refering to - as it wouldn't be universal love, or 'love thy neighbor.' |
The majority of wealth springs from human ingenuity. The things people create that money can be spent on. As well as the efficient production of those things in order that they can be bought for only a small proportion of the consumers labor (or what ever he is trading for the good). Money means exactly nothing. Would you rather have been a millionaire 200 years ago, when you would have been one of the richest people alive. Or a middle class person today who lives in a way the richest person on Earth couldn't have even dreamed of a few generations ago?
What's so bad about the Rockefellers? All a google search threw up was references to charities and some mumbo jumbo about satanic blood lines. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 3:38 am Post subject: |
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| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
| Cheonmunka wrote: |
Well, if you don't have money from where does your wealth spring?
This is about Rockefellah, and the talk would be nothing other than money. I can't see what other wealth you might be refering to - as it wouldn't be universal love, or 'love thy neighbor.' |
The majority of wealth springs from human ingenuity. The things people create that money can be spent on. As well as the efficient production of those things in order that they can be bought for only a small proportion of the consumers labor (or what ever he is trading for the good). Money means exactly nothing. Would you rather have been a millionaire 200 years ago, when you would have been one of the richest people alive. Or a middle class person today who lives in a way the richest person on Earth couldn't have even dreamed of a few generations ago?
What's so bad about the Rockefellers? All a google search threw up was references to charities and some mumbo jumbo about satanic blood lines. |
Do you not understand what it means to live in a monetary system? It means money represents all wealth, that is to say all wealth is quantified by a monetary value. However, this value is distorted when you introduce interest, which debases the currency.
In the current system, literally every single dollar in existence is created as debt, by the banks, with interest attached. This means the total money pool (the principal created as debt in the first place) is insufficient to cover the principal (debt) plus interest on that debt. If you take away the debt, there is literally no money left. The banks therefore enslave the economy through debt and interest, which is 100% impossible to pay off. The Fed is able to encourage more loans by lowering rates, but this inflates the economy. Then when they shut off the money supply, the economy deflates, and everyone with in debt defaults their hard assets to the banks (or those with money buy up the deflated assets for pennies on the dollar). It's a rigged game, impossible to win, unless you are the bank. |
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Rusty Shackleford
Joined: 08 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| visitorq wrote: |
| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
| Cheonmunka wrote: |
Well, if you don't have money from where does your wealth spring?
This is about Rockefellah, and the talk would be nothing other than money. I can't see what other wealth you might be refering to - as it wouldn't be universal love, or 'love thy neighbor.' |
The majority of wealth springs from human ingenuity. The things people create that money can be spent on. As well as the efficient production of those things in order that they can be bought for only a small proportion of the consumers labor (or what ever he is trading for the good). Money means exactly nothing. Would you rather have been a millionaire 200 years ago, when you would have been one of the richest people alive. Or a middle class person today who lives in a way the richest person on Earth couldn't have even dreamed of a few generations ago?
What's so bad about the Rockefellers? All a google search threw up was references to charities and some mumbo jumbo about satanic blood lines. |
Do you not understand what it means to live in a monetary system? It means money represents all wealth, that is to say all wealth is quantified by a monetary value. However, this value is distorted when you introduce interest, which debases the currency.
In the current system, literally every single dollar in existence is created as debt, by the banks, with interest attached. This means the total money pool (the principal created as debt in the first place) is insufficient to cover the principal (debt) plus interest on that debt. If you take away the debt, there is literally no money left. The banks therefore enslave the economy through debt and interest, which is 100% impossible to pay off. The Fed is able to encourage more loans by lowering rates, but this inflates the economy. Then when they shut off the money supply, the economy deflates, and everyone with in debt defaults their hard assets to the banks (or those with money buy up the deflated assets for pennies on the dollar). It's a rigged game, impossible to win, unless you are the bank. |
So you watch one shlocky, internet doco aimed at the tin foil set and bang! you're an expert on fractional reserve banking. 
No offence intended, but if you have some super secret source that reveals the fountain spring of all the world's ills, don't you think you owe it to the rest of us to reveal it? |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:32 am Post subject: |
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| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
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| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
| Cheonmunka wrote: |
Well, if you don't have money from where does your wealth spring?
This is about Rockefellah, and the talk would be nothing other than money. I can't see what other wealth you might be refering to - as it wouldn't be universal love, or 'love thy neighbor.' |
The majority of wealth springs from human ingenuity. The things people create that money can be spent on. As well as the efficient production of those things in order that they can be bought for only a small proportion of the consumers labor (or what ever he is trading for the good). Money means exactly nothing. Would you rather have been a millionaire 200 years ago, when you would have been one of the richest people alive. Or a middle class person today who lives in a way the richest person on Earth couldn't have even dreamed of a few generations ago?
What's so bad about the Rockefellers? All a google search threw up was references to charities and some mumbo jumbo about satanic blood lines. |
Do you not understand what it means to live in a monetary system? It means money represents all wealth, that is to say all wealth is quantified by a monetary value. However, this value is distorted when you introduce interest, which debases the currency.
In the current system, literally every single dollar in existence is created as debt, by the banks, with interest attached. This means the total money pool (the principal created as debt in the first place) is insufficient to cover the principal (debt) plus interest on that debt. If you take away the debt, there is literally no money left. The banks therefore enslave the economy through debt and interest, which is 100% impossible to pay off. The Fed is able to encourage more loans by lowering rates, but this inflates the economy. Then when they shut off the money supply, the economy deflates, and everyone with in debt defaults their hard assets to the banks (or those with money buy up the deflated assets for pennies on the dollar). It's a rigged game, impossible to win, unless you are the bank. |
So you watch one shlocky, internet doco aimed at the tin foil set and bang! you're an expert on fractional reserve banking.
No offence intended, but if you have some super secret source that reveals the fountain spring of all the world's ills, don't you think you owe it to the rest of us to reveal it? |
Your insecurity doesn't matter to me. Ad hominems don't matter either.
Go and research for yourself, find out and escape your ignorance... |
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Rusty Shackleford
Joined: 08 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:45 am Post subject: |
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Your insecurity doesn't matter to me. Ad hominems don't matter either.
Go and research for yourself, find out and escape your ignorance... |
Haha, will do brother. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:32 am Post subject: |
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| Rusty, ad hom attacks are weak. Try to up your game a couple notches if you can. |
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Rusty Shackleford
Joined: 08 May 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
| Rusty, ad hom attacks are weak. Try to up your game a couple notches if you can. |
Fair call.
I missed the references he posted on page one. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:16 am Post subject: |
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| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
So you watch one shlocky, internet doco aimed at the tin foil set and bang! you're an expert on fractional reserve banking.
No offence intended, but if you have some super secret source that reveals the fountain spring of all the world's ills, don't you think you owe it to the rest of us to reveal it? |
I'll also ignore the ad hominem and simply ask the following: you already know about fractional reserve banking and interest; what more do you need explained to you? |
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arjuna
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:41 am Post subject: |
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Secrets of money, interest and inflation
by Rudo de Ruijter,
Independent researcher,
September 2007
Money plays a big role in our life. In society too, nearly everything is determined by money. It is strange, that only few people know the juggling tricks, by which money originates and disappears again. Most people see, that money becomes worth less all the time, but they don�t know, that this is caused, in the first place, by the money system itself. Also the eternal chase for economic growth and the always increasing working pressure in industrialized countries, are caused by the money system. Money can also serve for oppression, for instance of the Third World countries, or be the motive for wars, like the one against Iraq. Would you like to take a small tour behind the scene? Welcome to the circus of the money-jugglers!
http://www.courtfool.info/en_Secrets_of_Money_Interest_and_Inflation.htm |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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| .. the US tries to make sure, that OPEC-countries keep selling their oil in dollars. However, Iraq, that disposes of the second largest oil reserves in the world, switched to the euro on 6 November 2000. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| .. the US tries to make sure, that OPEC-countries keep selling their oil in dollars. However, Iraq, that disposes of the second largest oil reserves in the world, switched to the euro on 6 November 2000. |
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Which, of course, is really why we had to invade. |
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Cheonmunka
Joined: 04 Jun 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:18 am Post subject: |
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Still leaves a lot of unanswered questions.
PS: Strange thing about Rockerfellersersyerses, they invest heavily in oil, yet buy large blocks of land for 'outdoor recreation' and their homes. That is like weapons dealers finding the safest gun-free places in which they can live and raise their families. It's very hypocritical and two-faced. And greedy. Personally I can't stand that bs.
It comes down to nothing more than money and profit, and that's what this thread highlights. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 4:01 am Post subject: |
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The Rockefellers are also the main funders of the Eugenics movement in the last century, and even directly funded such Nazi institutions as the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute, and had a full on business merger with I.G. Farben, the Nazi chemical company that produced most of their explosives for the war, and patented the Zyklon B poison used in the holocaust.
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The [Rockefeller] Foundation's money created the medical specialty known as Psychiatric Genetics. For the new experimental field, the Foundation reorganized medical teaching in Germany, creating and thenceforth continuously directing the ``Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Psychiatry'' and the ``Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Anthropology, Eugenics and Human Heredity.'' The Rockefellers' chief executive of these institutions was the fascist Swiss psychiatrist Ernst Rudin, assisted by his proteges Otmar Verschuer and Franz J. Kallmann.
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Under the Nazis, the German chemical company I.G. Farben and Rockefeller's Standard Oil of New Jersey were effectively a single firm, merged in hundreds of cartel arrangements. I.G. Farben was led, up until 1937, by the Warburg family, Rockefeller's partner in banking and in the design of Nazi German eugenics. Following the German invasion of Poland in 1939, Standard Oil pledged to keep the merger with I.G. Farben going even if the U.S. entered the war. This was exposed in 1942 by Sen. Harry Truman's investigating committee, and President Roosevelt took hundreds of legal measures during the war to stop the Standard-I.G. Farben cartel from supplying the enemy war machine. |
http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/new_world_order/UN_Rockefeller_Genocide.html
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| Black argues that the Rockefeller Foundation (RF) and the Carnegie Institution of Washington (CIW) funded much of the American-based movement, both at home and abroad, and so sat in the driver's seat guiding Nazi racial hygienists along their fateful path |
http://www.nature.com/embor/journal/v5/n5/full/7400158.html
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| Leading eugenicists were greatly challenged when it came to funding because the U.S. Federal Government did not support basic science research studies until after the Second World War. Instead, state universities and philanthropists took the leading role in the movement�s funding. Most notable were three well-known figures of the day, Mrs. E.H. Harriman, Andrew Carnegie, and John D. Rockefeller. Together, their institutions would fund nearly every aspect of the movement including the educational portion, which trained office and field workers and awarded scholarships so young people could spend their summers training and studying in human heredity and field research. It is clear that without the backing of rich elite in both capital and in name, the eugenics movement would not have had the financial stability or the assurance of the public to exist as a large-scale entity. |
These are some very bad people... |
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Rusty Shackleford
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 5:39 am Post subject: |
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Plenty of prominent people supported eugenics around the turn of last century. Much the same way famous people promote junk science today. It doesn't make them evil.
IBM supplied the "computer" system for the concentration camps. Do we call IBM evil today? |
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visitorq
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| Rusty Shackleford wrote: |
| Plenty of prominent people supported eugenics around the turn of last century. Much the same way famous people promote junk science today. It doesn't make them evil. |
Eugenics has had an ugly history of promoting racial purity and/or supremacy, often advocating sterilization of segments of the public, and killing off 'undesirables'. In fact, the history of eugenics is so shameful that they don't usually even call it eugenics anymore (now it's 'evolutionary genetics', a benign name in itself).
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| IBM supplied the "computer" system for the concentration camps. Do we call IBM evil today? |
Yes. Depends who you ask though I guess... |
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