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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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 Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| The idea of the few at the top controlling the masses is a function of socialism. |
Can you provide some actual real world data showing that in a socialist society on the scale of a modern nation with governmental intervention this doesn't happen, or is this an article of faith? |
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Well, mises says that this doesn't happen in Occidental societies. Further, ontheway says the entire Western World is Socialist. Put them together, and your answer is that the entire Western World is your data pool. If you don't accept that, then you either disagree with mises, or you disagree with ontheway.
So is your question answered, or is one of your heroes wrong? If one of them is wrong, why are they wrong? To help you answer concisely -- because I'm not interested in one of your verbal dodges, ad hominem attacks, or anything else of the sort -- here are the three ways your response could begin:
1) I think they are both right, so my question is answered. Thank you Fox.
2) I think mises is wrong, because...
3) I think ontheway is wrong, because... |
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Rusty Shackleford
Joined: 08 May 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, mises says that this doesn't happen in Occidental societies. Further, ontheway says the entire Western World is Socialist. Put them together, and your answer is that the entire Western World is your data pool. If you don't accept that, then you either disagree with mises, or you disagree with ontheway. |
By "this" do you mean that western societies don't tend towards despotism? Whether by an individual or by a shady secret group.
I would say that is true. Western society is almost universally democratic. The electorate votes for what it thinks is best and more often than not the elected result is a reflection of the electorate. I don't vote for this reason.
Yes, many of the policies enacted in Western countries are socialist. I would call 39% tax on the top marginal income bracket (where I'm from), to be decidedly socialist.
I don't see the view points of my "heroes" to be contradictory. Therefore, I don't accept your assertion that the
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entire Western World is your data pool.
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If that were the case, it would be no more true for me than for you.
So I would assert that it is you who has verbally dodged, and that my question is not answered. |
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DWAEJIMORIGUKBAP
Joined: 28 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Complete bloody nonsence and I'm amazed that this 2 pages of cr@p warranted a 4 page thread... |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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1) You say Western society doesn't tend towards despotism.
2) You say Western society is almost universally Socialistic.
That means you feel Western society is a solid data pool from which one can draw data about non-despotistic Socialism, which is what you asked for. It almost means the West is decidedly not a good source to draw data about non-Socialistic Capitalist societies from, because you claim it's Socialist.
And yes, before you respond, I know you don't understand it, you don't accept it, and I know you feel the poor are only poor because they choose to be poor. |
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