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RufusW
Joined: 14 Jun 2008
Location: Busan
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
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Roughly a third of FoxNews viewers describe themselves as Independents or Left-leaning, so you should dispense with the stereotyping |
I describe myself as a 6'2" perfection of human engineering with a figure that make the gods weep. Doesn't make it true. |
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ManintheMiddle
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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| I describe myself as a 6'2" perfection of human engineering with a figure that make the gods weep. Doesn't make it true. |
These findings are based on separately conducted polls over the past several years by Rasmussen, Politico, and Opinion Dynamics/Fox. The poll results roughly correspond, suggesting accurate triangulation.
I am, by the way, nearly 6'2" but only my wife feels I cut the figure you describe. |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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| ManintheMiddle wrote: |
These findings are based on separately conducted polls over the past several years by Rasmussen, Politico, and Opinion Dynamics/Fox. The poll results roughly correspond, suggesting accurate triangulation.
I am, by the way, nearly 6'2" but only my wife feels I cut the figure you describe. |
Again its people's opinions of themselves..not what they really are. Just because various studies roughly figure that 1/3 of the people claim to be left leaning doesn't mean they actually are left leaning. |
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ManintheMiddle
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:03 am Post subject: |
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Tiger Beer pricked with his pitchfork:
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| I WISH this were true, but it isn't. I recall President Bush was given almost two or three years of complete flattery and loveliness from pretty much all media sources and even the Democratic Party themselves. |
Bush was repeatedly taken to task by the mainstream media before 9-11 but in its wake they laid off until the Iraq War lingered on. So you're suffering from selective memory loss.
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| Obama's adminstration, I see A LOT more 'what does McCain think?' and 'What does the GOP think?' news stories constantly challenging Obama and he JUST got into office. I don't recall in 2001 any 'what does Gore think?' or 'what do Dems think?'. |
Only from FoxNews, and I'd be the first to admit that they overdue it. But, again, you need to distinguish between commentators like Sean Hannity and straight newscasters like Brett Hume, Brett Baier, Chris Wallace, et al.
Let me repeat: even Bill Maher has ripped into the mainstream media for fawning over Obama.
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| If Obama has been, I personally imagine it would be reference more to the joke they are, rather than him actually 'harping' on them - which implies heavy moaning, complaining, lecturing, and heavy reference of warnings type of behaviors. |
Harping doesn't have to come with sound effects. Obama is obsessing on FoxNews because it's the only negative coverage he gets.
Consider this:
ABCNews has 80 senior staff. All but 4 gave donations to Obama's election campaign. This is openly acknowledged by them, albeit after the fact when it was pointed out to them.
If you or other posters here don't think that skews their news, then we have no basis for debate.
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| PERSONALLY, I would much prefer more of THAT American spirit - supporting our President until he actually does poorly fail, rather than this constant tea parties, threats to leave the Union, and all the other anti-American garbage that I keep viewing. |
I agree and ALL the mainstream and cable networks are guilty of politicizing their coverage. One caveat: the tea parties included people who were not Republicans.
crossmr equivocated:
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| Again its people's opinions of themselves..not what they really are. Just because various studies roughly figure that 1/3 of the people claim to be left leaning doesn't mean they actually are left leaning. |
Uh, yeah, that's what polls do: allow people to self-report their opinions.  Now as for the other po-mo mumbo-jumbo, I'll leave that to you and your analyst.
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| true, Obama should stop harping or mentioning Fox News for one reason: it's not worth it |
And part of my point was that it wouldn't be "worth it" regardless of which network was the focal point of his ire. Look, Bush never stooped to doing this.
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| fox news is not worth his (or anyone's) time or energy to even spew the name out I'm really amazed they can call it news and I wonder how those people at fox news could sleep at night, or are they just clueless ... no, I don't wonder, they're not worth thinking about |
Oh, yes, the horror of it all. Such a heinous crime to criticize our sitting President. You're generalizing inclines me to believe you don't watch much if at all. But feel free to take a dump just the same.
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| You did however claim Fox News is not disingenous, and that's a lie. |
The hard news staff there do have dissenting views on a regular basis. That is what they mean by "fair and balanced." Now, is their overall coverage such? Again, it depends on which side of the aisle you look at. Clearly the commentators are not, with the notable exceptions of van Susteren and O'Reilly. Many a liberal and independent has written to him (as read on-air and at his website) and praised him for being even-handed although they disagree. O'Reilly has consistenly maintained that the jury is still out on Obama, which you'd know if you watched. Now, to claim otherwise without viewing, or to deliberately overlook this is being disingenuous. |
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RufusW
Joined: 14 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:00 am Post subject: |
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This was the 'moment of zen' on The Daily Show.
A clip of 'Fox and Friends' reporting that polling in Iran sometimes went over 100%. Gretchen Carlson chimed in, "that happened in the US in November too, in some cities. So, maybe that should be a wake up call to us as well".
I lol'd. |
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lithium
Joined: 18 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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News Agency criticizes Republicans and its called "Reporting"
News Agency criticizes Democrats and its a Smear Campaign.
Don't you just love how Liberals think? |
Great post. |
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lithium
Joined: 18 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:09 pm Post subject: Re: WHY IS BARACK OBAMA ALWAYS HARPING ON FOXNEWS? |
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| Just a short time ago, who ever would have thought that Fox News would be the last network to try to maintain a free and independent press? Is this really happening? |
No, it's not really happening. Nothing about Fox News is free and independent, they're just in bed with the minority party rather than the majority party.
Reasoned criticism for the sake of improvement is a valuable product; blathering near-universal opposition due to strong party affiliation is worthless. Fox News produces the latter; their criticism is not constructive, it's reflexive, and as a result essentially worthless.
I remember one of Fox's employees saying something along the lines of, "Shouldn't the President welcome our criticism?" The answer unfortunately is no, not because he shouldn't welcome criticism in general (he should), but because Fox's criticism is tantamount to someone screaming, "Nuh uh!" after everything you say. The disdain they're being treated with is exactly what that sort of behavior deserves. |
Obama has every other news outlet spewing his every command and yet the one that doesn't is a Conservative talking machine? Can you explain the extreme popularity of Fox and the dwindling audience of the other channels? |
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crossmr
Joined: 22 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:40 pm Post subject: Re: WHY IS BARACK OBAMA ALWAYS HARPING ON FOXNEWS? |
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| lithium wrote: |
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| Just a short time ago, who ever would have thought that Fox News would be the last network to try to maintain a free and independent press? Is this really happening? |
No, it's not really happening. Nothing about Fox News is free and independent, they're just in bed with the minority party rather than the majority party.
Reasoned criticism for the sake of improvement is a valuable product; blathering near-universal opposition due to strong party affiliation is worthless. Fox News produces the latter; their criticism is not constructive, it's reflexive, and as a result essentially worthless.
I remember one of Fox's employees saying something along the lines of, "Shouldn't the President welcome our criticism?" The answer unfortunately is no, not because he shouldn't welcome criticism in general (he should), but because Fox's criticism is tantamount to someone screaming, "Nuh uh!" after everything you say. The disdain they're being treated with is exactly what that sort of behavior deserves. |
Obama has every other news outlet spewing his every command and yet the one that doesn't is a Conservative talking machine? Can you explain the extreme popularity of Fox and the dwindling audience of the other channels? |
People are idiots. Welcome to the human race. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:49 pm Post subject: Re: WHY IS BARACK OBAMA ALWAYS HARPING ON FOXNEWS? |
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| lithium wrote: |
Obama has every other news outlet spewing his every command and yet the one that doesn't is a Conservative talking machine?
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Fox was a Conservative talk machine well before Obama came on the scene. Fox's attitude towards Obama is merely a symptom of the fact that they are Conservative.
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| Can you explain the extreme popularity of Fox and the dwindling audience of the other channels? |
Well, first I'd like to see exactly what data you're basing that off of. Second, while I'm not sure whether or not your assessment of Fox's comparative popularity is correct (I haven't looked at data either way), I'd hardly be surprised if it was, for the same reason I'm not particularly surprised shows like Jerry Springer have enjoyed popularity: showcasing the worst in humanity has always drawn an audience. |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:14 am Post subject: |
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Tiger Beer pricked with his pitchfork:
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| Obama's adminstration, I see A LOT more 'what does McCain think?' and 'What does the GOP think?' news stories constantly challenging Obama and he JUST got into office. I don't recall in 2001 any 'what does Gore think?' or 'what do Dems think?'. |
Only from FoxNews, and I'd be the first to admit that they overdue it. |
Actually, I've been building that impression from predominately Yahoo News, i.e. 'The Associated Press'.
I also notice it from Yahoo News Video as well - i.e. clips from ABC, CBS, NBC from local networks around the country. It seems the the news in general seems more interested in reporting criticism of all things Obama, as opposed to just reporting on what he's trying to do. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:08 am Post subject: |
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Personally, I'm just observing significantly more anti-Obama stuff than pro-Obama stuff. I believe we should ALL support our President regardless of political party, until he gives us some reason NOT to.
So far, no major screw-ups. I see things I don't personally like just like everyone does, but I certainly don't see any reason whatsoever for anyone to be vehemently anti-Obama yet. |
Have you seen this thread?
No major screw-ups? How about expanding the war in Afghanistan and extending it into Pakistan? How about another massive bank bailout? How about his lying on telecom immunity and granting it? How about setting the record for the number of tax cheats hired: Geithner, Daschle, Killefer, Solis, Sebelius...? How about his police state imposition of "prolonged detention?"
Just what would constitute a major screw-up for you? If he plooked an intern? |
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ManintheMiddle
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:08 am Post subject: |
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Lest anyone doubt the merits of my charge that the media is in the tank for Obama bigtime, checkout this interview by Harry Smith of CBS Morning News with the President at the White House yesterday:
http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/video/obama_defends_bush
Even the President himself had to temper the reporter's grossly overstated and rash language and correct the mischaracterization of Bush. It's really quite pathetic how low the mainstream media has stooped.
And then today at the White House press conference, a blogger was bumped up to the front to sit with the big boys--the senior White House correspondents--so he could ask a planted question. Afterward, ABC News commentators remarked that this was an unprecedented move. But of course Obama was just being "audacious." |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:35 am Post subject: |
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| How about expanding the war in Afghanistan and extending it into Pakistan? |
Well, 8 years without searching for Osama Bin Ladin, and bankrupting the U.S. Treasury in the 'name' of terrorism was one of the MAJOR great mysteries of the Bush Administration, and I'm not a conspiracy theorist - I'm just baffled by that.
But I WOULD really like to know why Osama Bin Ladin and Al Qaeda was so irrelevant to the Bush Administration, being that everyone knows that 9-11 was directly involved with them, and NOT with Saddam & Iraq.
So, to me, the focus on Afghanistan/Pakistan and Osama Bin Ladin isn't a failure, but simply a logical 'first step' that has never been taken.
In short, I'm personally ALL for it. |
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RufusW
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