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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:58 am Post subject: Do the teachers at your school keep the lights off? |
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My co-teacher told me to leave the classroom lights turned off.
When I protested, she said don't blame her, the adminstrators fussed at HER for turning on the lights.
So here is a letter which I wrote for the vice-principal:
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조기술 선생님,
안녕 하세요:
I understand that lights have been turned off
because of high electric bills.
비싼 전기 요금 때문에 불을 켰다고 들었습니다.
I understand why the administration wants to be frugal,
경영진이 왜 검약하는지 이해하지만
but I am not sure that reading in a dark classroom is good for the children's eyes.
저는 어두운 교실에서 읽는 것이 아이들에게 눈에 나쁠까 걱정합니다.
I don't know how it is in Korea,
저는 한국에 어떻는지 모르지만
but in the United States, the parents would be very angry.
미국에 부모님이 아주 화가 나겠습니다.
If a child developed eye trouble,
어떤 아이가 눈 명이 났으면
the parents would blame the school and file a lawsuit.
부모님이 학교를 나무라고 소송하겠습니다.
Is the light bill really more expensive than a lawsuit?
전기 요금은 종말로 소송보다 비쌉니까? |
I'll get fired for sure. |
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Korussian
Joined: 15 Sep 2007
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:45 pm Post subject: Re: Do the teachers at your school keep the lights off? |
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tomato wrote: |
My co-teacher told me to leave the classroom lights turned off.
When I protested, she said don't blame her, the adminstrators fussed at HER for turning on the lights.
So here is a letter which I wrote for the vice-principal:
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조기술 선생님,
안녕 하세요:
I understand that lights have been turned off
because of high electric bills.
비싼 전기 요금 때문에 불을 켰다고 들었습니다.
I understand why the administration wants to be frugal,
경영진이 왜 검약하는지 이해하지만
but I am not sure that reading in a dark classroom is good for the children's eyes.
저는 어두운 교실에서 읽는 것이 아이들에게 눈에 나쁠까 걱정합니다.
I don't know how it is in Korea,
저는 한국에 어떻는지 모르지만
but in the United States, the parents would be very angry.
미국에 부모님이 아주 화가 나겠습니다.
If a child developed eye trouble,
어떤 아이가 눈 명이 났으면
the parents would blame the school and file a lawsuit.
부모님이 학교를 나무라고 소송하겠습니다.
Is the light bill really more expensive than a lawsuit?
전기 요금은 종말로 소송보다 비쌉니까? |
I'll get fired for sure. |
If you want to create a bad relationship with your vice principal (best case scenario), then that letter will do.
However, before sending it, be sure it is the VP that ordered the lights turned off. Your co-teacher may just be deflecting blame up the ladder, when she is the one who wants the lights off for some unknowable reason. |
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Horangi Munshin

Joined: 06 Apr 2003 Location: Busan
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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It's the opposite at my school. I'm always turning off lights that are left on when natural light is more than sufficient!
They have lights on in the hallways even! Ones that generally have big windows facing south (ish). |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:56 pm Post subject: Re: Do the teachers at your school keep the lights off? |
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Korussian wrote: |
tomato wrote: |
My co-teacher told me to leave the classroom lights turned off.
When I protested, she said don't blame her, the adminstrators fussed at HER for turning on the lights.
So here is a letter which I wrote for the vice-principal:
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조기술 선생님,
안녕 하세요:
I understand that lights have been turned off
because of high electric bills.
비싼 전기 요금 때문에 불을 켰다고 들었습니다.
I understand why the administration wants to be frugal,
경영진이 왜 검약하는지 이해하지만
but I am not sure that reading in a dark classroom is good for the children's eyes.
저는 어두운 교실에서 읽는 것이 아이들에게 눈에 나쁠까 걱정합니다.
I don't know how it is in Korea,
저는 한국에 어떻는지 모르지만
but in the United States, the parents would be very angry.
미국에 부모님이 아주 화가 나겠습니다.
If a child developed eye trouble,
어떤 아이가 눈 명이 났으면
the parents would blame the school and file a lawsuit.
부모님이 학교를 나무라고 소송하겠습니다.
Is the light bill really more expensive than a lawsuit?
전기 요금은 종말로 소송보다 비쌉니까? |
I'll get fired for sure. |
If you want to create a bad relationship with your vice principal (best case scenario), then that letter will do.
However, before sending it, be sure it is the VP that ordered the lights turned off. Your co-teacher may just be deflecting blame up the ladder, when she is the one who wants the lights off for some unknowable reason. |
That's a very good point. Also, the 'lawsuit' line of logic will make no sense whatsoever. In Korea you don't get sued for ruining children's eyes. You get sued for fighting off drunken assailants or being honest with people about your boss' shortcomings. |
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Joe666
Joined: 19 Nov 2008 Location: Jesus it's hot down here!
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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Nop! The lights are used in my world. The AC, NAY. I am waiting for the day my undies aren't saturated by 9:30 AM. It will be a glorious day indeed!! |
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Goku
Joined: 10 Dec 2008
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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Yea... that letter is pretty condesending. I imagine getting that letter from a student. Careful with how you word it.
Also, has it been proven that low lights can dimish eye sight? I thought that was an old wives tale my dad would say to me "Turn on a light, or you'll lose your eyesight."
Logic would tell me it's the opposite. I mean, low light means your eyes have to work harder to see.
Anyways, natural light is healthy too. Although, I don't know your situation or really how dark it is. So your complaint could be very valid. |
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Zulethe

Joined: 04 Jul 2008
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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I spent a whole semester in college working with a professor who was once legally blind but through doing certain exercises, regained his sight.
Goku is 100% correct. Natural light is much healthier for the eyes for the reasons stated. Low light makes your eyes work harder, which makes them stronger. Reading in low light is very good for your eyes.
I have to always fight with my colleagues to keep the lights off.
Your eyes are muscles that need exercise.
Glasses are the worst thing possible for your eyes. They cause atrophy.
By the way, I have 20/10 vision.
But of course your school just cares about the electric bill.
Lawsuit, PLEASSSE! |
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hamlet712
Joined: 16 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:45 pm Post subject: |
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Well a couple things
1) Try reading study once in a while. Reading in bad light does nothing to harm your eyes whatsoever, and as many others have said, it tends to strengthen them.
2)I dont know about yours but my school has these lovely things called windows, and outside these windows is a wonderful thing we humans call the sun, now this globe of fire we call the sun is an excellent light source. I tend to use this rather than wasting electricity. I haven't turned on the lights ( unless it was very overcast) since march
3) Your letter to your principal, i mean really, how stupid are you? The school needs to cut down on expenses where they can after spending practically double on a foreign english teacher who still needs to teach with a Korean teacher ( so that basically a triple salary class being taught)
Why dont you tell them youd be more than happy to take a 200 000 won pay cut so they can afford the lights, as you clearly value the sight of your kids.
pffft, yeah right. Its a typical western ideal, we know better than our idiot bosses, and want to enforce our intillectual superiority. |
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prideofidaho
Joined: 19 Mar 2008
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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I HATE overhead lighting. That being said, I find it keeps the kiddies alert. No light just makes them sleepy, and makes class boring.
Being told not to turn the lights on is ridiculous. I mean, cut costs where you can, but lighting? Please.
To each their own but I think you should just say working without lighting hurts your eyes and leave it at that. P will probably understand. |
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hamlet712
Joined: 16 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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prideofidaho wrote: |
I HATE overhead lighting. That being said, I find it keeps the kiddies alert. No light just makes them sleepy, and makes class boring.
Being told not to turn the lights on is ridiculous. I mean, cut costs where you can, but lighting? Please.
To each their own but I think you should just say working without lighting hurts your eyes and leave it at that. P will probably understand. |
Except that this argument is completely false. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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hamlet712 wrote: |
prideofidaho wrote: |
I HATE overhead lighting. That being said, I find it keeps the kiddies alert. No light just makes them sleepy, and makes class boring.
Being told not to turn the lights on is ridiculous. I mean, cut costs where you can, but lighting? Please.
To each their own but I think you should just say working without lighting hurts your eyes and leave it at that. P will probably understand. |
Except that this argument is completely false. |
Except it's not. Reading in low light may not damage your eyes but it can certainly cause eye strain.
Google is your friend here. |
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hamlet712
Joined: 16 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
hamlet712 wrote: |
prideofidaho wrote: |
I HATE overhead lighting. That being said, I find it keeps the kiddies alert. No light just makes them sleepy, and makes class boring.
Being told not to turn the lights on is ridiculous. I mean, cut costs where you can, but lighting? Please.
To each their own but I think you should just say working without lighting hurts your eyes and leave it at that. P will probably understand. |
Except that this argument is completely false. |
Except it's not. Reading in low light may not damage your eyes but it can certainly cause eye strain.
Google is your friend here. |
Okay i think that we are on the right page, just hung up on a word
Reading in low light does not DAMAGE your eyes. It can strain them, but I can strain a muscle without damaging it.
I equated "hurt" with damage.
So i was right reading in low light does not damage your eyes, and the first three google sites I looked at all confirm it. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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hamlet712 wrote: |
TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
hamlet712 wrote: |
prideofidaho wrote: |
I HATE overhead lighting. That being said, I find it keeps the kiddies alert. No light just makes them sleepy, and makes class boring.
Being told not to turn the lights on is ridiculous. I mean, cut costs where you can, but lighting? Please.
To each their own but I think you should just say working without lighting hurts your eyes and leave it at that. P will probably understand. |
Except that this argument is completely false. |
Except it's not. Reading in low light may not damage your eyes but it can certainly cause eye strain.
Google is your friend here. |
Okay i think that we are on the right page, just hung up on a word
Reading in low light does not DAMAGE your eyes. It can strain them, but I can strain a muscle without damaging it.
I equated "hurt" with damage.
So i was right reading in low light does not damage your eyes, and the first three google sites I looked at all confirm it. |
True, but repeated eye strain over a period of time CAN damage the eyes, and I'd be happy to provide Google sites to confirm this. Granted that it is dependent on the amount of light and time , but the possibility exists. |
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prideofidaho
Joined: 19 Mar 2008
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:37 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I think you are also missing my point a bit. The debate about whether or not low light causes damage to the eye or not is completely irrelevant to the fact that the OP has the right to turn the light on if he or she likes. I'm not saying it's a human right, but telling staff to work in the dark is quite petty.
As I said, I hate overhead lighting, and I get annoyed when my partner insists on it, but just for a second, then I realise how petty it is for me to determine what kind of lighting he gets to work in. I cringe a little inside when I put my demands on people in such unfair ways. It's my cross to bear. Sigh.... |
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Nolan Ryan

Joined: 25 Aug 2004 Location: On a pitcher's mound somewhere in Seoul...
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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:05 pm Post subject: |
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Leave the lights on and while you're at it, leave the air conditioner and fans on as well...  |
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