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TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:06 pm Post subject:

caniff wrote:

Sergio Stefanuto wrote:

0.1% of its federal budget (its present one at least)

Probably about 0.1% too much at this point, IMO. When are they planning to wean themselves off of Uncle Sam's (nowadays dry) nipple? Apparently never, according to AIPACs mission statement.

Could someone tell me why we (Americans) are obligated to Israel? I'm not against an alliance by any means, but the relationship between our two nations has gone from the ridiculous to the sublime.

Why? Because Israel provides a reliable pair of eyes in a region where the U.S has strategic (oil) and national security (terrorist) interests.

If anyone thinks the U.S gets NOTHING out of this, they are woefully mistaken. I'd say that much of the reciprocity is unseen and flows under the table, so as to speak. President after president (all of whom have different goals, interests and agendas) wouldn't keep supporting Israel over 40+ years if it wasn't in the U.S interest to do so.

RJjr

Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp

Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:11 pm Post subject:

Sergio Stefanuto wrote:

RJjr wrote:

Sergio Stefanuto wrote:

The ruin of the US economy is due to horrendous banking practises

Greenspan and Bernanke are the most at fault. What religion are they? Wink

Have you considered bowing to Mecca five times per day there, bro? Shocked

I'll answer the question for you. Alan Greenspan and Ben Shalom Bernanke are Jewish. They're not Christians. They're not Muslims. They're Jews.

RJjr

Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp

Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:15 pm Post subject:

caniff wrote:

Sergio Stefanuto wrote:

0.1% of its federal budget (its present one at least)

Probably about 0.1% too much at this point, IMO. When are they planning to wean themselves off of Uncle Sam's (nowadays dry) nipple?

Israel is part of our welfare state, kind of like Octomom, only a LOT more expensive and annoying.

RJjr

Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp

Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:44 pm Post subject:

I've railed enough about Israel. To be fair, I'll give the floor to some American Israel supporters and some Israelis talking about the relationship between America and Israel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7UHLitmLVY

lithium

Joined: 18 Jun 2008

Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:12 pm Post subject:

Sergio Stefanuto wrote:

Well, I certainly support Israel.

Israel is where I do battle with the three most debilitating phenomena known to man: Christianity, Islam and socialism.

Bacasper wrote:

The poll was conducted among 800 registered voters on June 2 and 3 by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research

Highly unreliable

Why battle Christianity?

Sergio Stefanuto

Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:00 am Post subject:

RJjr wrote:

Sergio Stefanuto wrote:

RJjr wrote:

Sergio Stefanuto wrote:

The ruin of the US economy is due to horrendous banking practises

Greenspan and Bernanke are the most at fault. What religion are they? Wink

Have you considered bowing to Mecca five times per day there, bro? Shocked

I'll answer the question for you. Alan Greenspan and Ben Shalom Bernanke are Jewish. They're not Christians. They're not Muslims. They're Jews.

I'll answer my question for you, too, friendo......

No, RJjr hasn't considered bowing to Mecca five times per day, but he does enjoy reading Heinrich von Treitschke whilst listening to Wagner. Laughing

bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:10 am Post subject:

RJjr wrote:

I've railed enough about Israel. To be fair, I'll give the floor to some American Israel supporters and some Israelis talking about the relationship between America and Israel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7UHLitmLVY

I wish those guys would say what they really think. I mean, why tippy-toe around the point?
Razz

RJjr

Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:11 am Post subject:

bacasper wrote:

RJjr wrote:

I wish those guys would say what they really think. I mean, why tippy-toe around the point?
Razz

Yeah, Jews calling blacks "niggers" and calling people "faggots" out of one side of their mouths and talking about the Holocaust out of the other. Rolling Eyes

RJjr

Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:27 am Post subject:

lithium wrote:

Sergio Stefanuto wrote:

Well, I certainly support Israel.

Israel is where I do battle with the three most debilitating phenomena known to man: Christianity, Islam and socialism.

Bacasper wrote:

The poll was conducted among 800 registered voters on June 2 and 3 by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research

Highly unreliable

Why battle Christianity?

Why battle Christianity? Jews (and Muslims) have been "cleansing" the Israel/Palestine area of Christians for decades and white American Christians have supported it. You didn't think they hate only brown Christians, did you? At the end of the day, you're just a lowly goyim not unlike the Palestinian Christian. Laughing

America is like an old fart in Pattaya and Israel is like a bar girl. The old fart thinks he's in love and showers her with money, while the bar girl is disgusted with the old fart but tells him she loves him to keep getting the money, jewelry, cars, etc. Wink

Oh, and don't forget: June is USS Liberty Month. Find an Israeli or Israel supporter to celebrate with and don't forget the champagne. Evil or Very Mad

bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007

Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:43 am Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

bacasper wrote:

Sergio Stefanuto wrote:

Bacasper wrote:

Are polls just a plot then to fool the readers? You are definitely neither a scientist, mathematician, nor statistician. Are you a conspiracy theorist?

No, but I refuse to accept a conclusion that doesn't follow from the evidence cited. Whether "most Americans don't support Israel" or whether they do remains a completely open question. Polls are suggestive only. And in my view, this particular poll is very minimally suggestive.

You know thread titles are quite limited in length.

Had I more room and wanted to be perfectly clear, I would have written, and you would not have been able to argue with:

Quote:

According to this poll, within a confidence interval of x, a majority of US voters don't support Israel.

Sure we could argue with that simply by pointing out that 800 people are neither a majority of U.S voters nor an accurate representation of them.

The only way you could have written it so people couldn't disagree is that "According to this poll a majority of 800 people don't support Israel."

And that is it.

You need to check the meaning of "confidence interval." It does not mean "with absolute certainty."

princess

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: soul of Asia

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:36 pm Post subject:

And this, my friend, is why the good ole US of A is not so good ole anymore. The USA is going down and fast, too. People have turned their backs on God, taken prayer out of schools, etc. I hate to break it to people, too, but things are not going to get better. Just read Revelations. Bible prophesy is unfolding more and more everyday. And since when do people, I mean sheeple, depend on a president to make the economy better? Unemployment will get worse, and even those who get a job should not act so high and mighty. They may turn right around and lose it in no time. I think the US will fall before other countries will fall.

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 10:11 pm Post subject:

bacasper wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

bacasper wrote:

Sergio Stefanuto wrote:

Bacasper wrote:

Are polls just a plot then to fool the readers? You are definitely neither a scientist, mathematician, nor statistician. Are you a conspiracy theorist?

You know thread titles are quite limited in length.

Had I more room and wanted to be perfectly clear, I would have written, and you would not have been able to argue with:

Quote:

According to this poll, within a confidence interval of x, a majority of US voters don't support Israel.

You need to check the meaning of "confidence interval." It does not mean "with absolute certainty."

I know that. In this case it means exactly the opposite. Saying that 800 people represent the majority of U.S voters within a confidence interval of x only works if x represents infinity or nearly so.

bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 5:44 am Post subject:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

bacasper wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

bacasper wrote:

Sergio Stefanuto wrote:

Bacasper wrote:

Are polls just a plot then to fool the readers? You are definitely neither a scientist, mathematician, nor statistician. Are you a conspiracy theorist?

You know thread titles are quite limited in length.

Had I more room and wanted to be perfectly clear, I would have written, and you would not have been able to argue with:

Quote:

According to this poll, within a confidence interval of x, a majority of US voters don't support Israel.

You need to check the meaning of "confidence interval." It does not mean "with absolute certainty."

"Statistical sampling" is apparently another concept many fail to understand. If the 800 were scientifically chosen, the CI may be just a few percentage points.

TheUrbanMyth

Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:04 pm Post subject:

bacasper wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

bacasper wrote:

TheUrbanMyth wrote:

bacasper wrote:

Sergio Stefanuto wrote:

Bacasper wrote:

Are polls just a plot then to fool the readers? You are definitely neither a scientist, mathematician, nor statistician. Are you a conspiracy theorist?

You know thread titles are quite limited in length.

Had I more room and wanted to be perfectly clear, I would have written, and you would not have been able to argue with:

Quote:

According to this poll, within a confidence interval of x, a majority of US voters don't support Israel.

You need to check the meaning of "confidence interval." It does not mean "with absolute certainty."

"Statistical sampling" is apparently another concept many fail to understand. If the 800 were scientifically chosen, the CI may be just a few percentage points.

That's a pretty big "if".

Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009

Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 7:09 pm Post subject:

princess wrote:

I hate to break it to people, too, but things are not going to get better. Just read Revelations. Bible prophesy is unfolding more and more everyday. And since when do people, I mean sheeple ...

You're calling other people "sheeple" (implying they follow blindly), when you're saying things are going to get worse because a book written over a thousand years ago told you so?

Jesus Christ I hope you're trolling.

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