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Do the teachers at your school keep the lights off?
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hamlet712 wrote:
. . . a foreign english teacher who still needs to teach with a Korean teacher . . .

I didn't say I need a Korean teacher,
THEY said I need a Korean teacher.
You can believe whoever you want to.
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could understand an artist teaching their craft, but a language is developed for many people to engage in. It would seem like a "2 sided" view of English to only have a native English speaker and students. A co-teacher brings a new dimension into it.

The problem is more to do with a lack of training and the fact there is no organization in the learning process. It's assumed that "each man for himself" or "king of the hill" teaching will whip these Asians into shape. It won't.

Will the elite academicians accept this? Highly unlikely, their egos are too far up their, whoops!!!

To each their own, if you only want to teach by yourself and play the monkey charades, PLEASE, PLEASE, take the monkey talk jobs. I'll take the one with the co-teacher you don't want Laughing
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hamlet712



Joined: 16 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

prideofidaho wrote:
Yeah, I think you are also missing my point a bit. The debate about whether or not low light causes damage to the eye or not is completely irrelevant to the fact that the OP has the right to turn the light on if he or she likes. I'm not saying it's a human right, but telling staff to work in the dark is quite petty.

As I said, I hate overhead lighting, and I get annoyed when my partner insists on it, but just for a second, then I realise how petty it is for me to determine what kind of lighting he gets to work in. I cringe a little inside when I put my demands on people in such unfair ways. It's my cross to bear. Sigh....


Silly me, and all this time I thought that when you are employed my someone THEY have the right to tell YOU what you can and can not do.

And you should really learnt to follow the argument. The OP is pissy that he should have the right to trun the lights on, and his main argument is the false beleif that low light will damage thier eyes. First, this is not true, and second, the sun provide more than enough light to illuminate the classroom for reading.

The OP does NOT have the right to turn on the light if he wants to. the school has the right to tell him NOT to do so. I am sure the school is NOT telling him to work in the dark, give me a break, they are telling him that artificial illimination that is paid for si NOT needed since that wonderful sun is an excellent and free light source.

You can feel allthe guilt you want to with your partner teacher, you are -after all- equal partners in your classroom. A principal however is not your co teacher, your buddy or your peon, they are your boss and they have the right to tell you to do anything that doesnt violate your contract
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hamlet712



Joined: 16 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomato wrote:
hamlet712 wrote:
. . . a foreign english teacher who still needs to teach with a Korean teacher . . .

I didn't say I need a Korean teacher,
THEY said I need a Korean teacher.
You can believe whoever you want to.


I also never said that you need a KOrean teacher, however an NSET employed by SMOE does even with 30 years of experience and 5 degrees.

I am not sure who you think I should believe and about what. This isnt a matter of belief. bad lighting doesn't damage your eyes, the sun is a valid light source, your letter borders on (if not crosses the line into) insubordination. But, at the very least it is condescending and you are an idiot who doesnt deserve the job if you actually gave it to an employer who has every right to run the school as they see fit.

Whether you agree or not, THEY are the ones chosen to run the school and to take responsibility for the school and how it is run. What level of ignorance and arrogance do you possess to think otherwise?
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You and Adolf Eichmann, huh?
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hamlet712



Joined: 16 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tomato wrote:
You and Adolf Eichmann, huh?


Your intelligence was questionable at best before, but that comment just cemented it. If anyone who disagrees with your elitist and inflated sense of importance is gonna be branded a nazi, then buddy you are pathetic.

Its also the sign of a pathetic man who wont address the valid points made against him and needs to resort to pathetic ad hominem and non justifiable attacks.

With any luck the letter you sent your principal will highlight just how pathetic and unstable you really are and show that being responsible for children, with a co teacher or otherwise, may not be the most intelligent idea for their school.

Because buddy, anyone who sent that letter because THEY WONT LET YOU TURN ON LIGHTS in a room which i assume has windows, is in need fo some pretty serious therapy.

please seek it dude, seriously
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tomato



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Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever you say.
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Leslie Cheswyck



Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile

PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like it with the lights on... if you know what I mean.
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hamlet712



Joined: 16 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:33 am    Post subject: Re: Do the teachers at your school keep the lights off? Reply with quote

tomato wrote:
My co-teacher told me to leave the classroom lights turned off.
When I protested, she said don't blame her, the adminstrators fussed at HER for turning on the lights.
So here is a letter which I wrote for the vice-principal:

Quote:
조기술 선생님,
안녕 하세요:

I understand that lights have been turned off
because of high electric bills.
비싼 전기 요금 때문에 불을 켰다고 들었습니다.

I understand why the administration wants to be frugal,
경영진이 왜 검약하는지 이해하지만
but I am not sure that reading in a dark classroom is good for the children's eyes.
저는 어두운 교실에서 읽는 것이 아이들에게 눈에 나쁠까 걱정합니다.

I don't know how it is in Korea,
저는 한국에 어떻는지 모르지만
but in the United States, the parents would be very angry.
미국에 부모님이 아주 화가 나겠습니다.
If a child developed eye trouble,
어떤 아이가 눈 명이 났으면
the parents would blame the school and file a lawsuit.
부모님이 학교를 나무라고 소송하겠습니다.

Is the light bill really more expensive than a lawsuit?
전기 요금은 종말로 소송보다 비쌉니까?


I'll get fired for sure.



No, aparently whatever you say you ignorant .......

You call me a nazi and I am the one with the issue?

Open the windows, do your job and stop thinking what you say goes. You are an employee and your job is to do what your employers ask, not turning on the lights in a windowed classroom is pretty much common sense, however I am sure this concept elludes you
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tomato was sent to the psychologist's office for evaluation. "What seems to be the problem, Mr. Tomato?"

Tomato stammered, "I just--I just can't agree on everything my administrator says."

The psychologist scratched his head. "Hmm, there could be deep issues here. You could be rebelling against your own parents on an unconscious level. That shows a deeply suppressed Oedipus complex. Are there any other problems?"

Tomato replied, "Yes, I have this thing about drawing analogies. If a person insists on agreeing with the boss no matter what the boss says, it reminds me of Adolf Eichmann."

The psychologist frowned. "Drawing analogies can mean only one thing. It means that you take flights of fantasy to escape reality. Anything else?"

Tomato thought for a moment. "Yes, I feel a responsibility for my English students. I always want what is best for them."

The psychologist seemed even more worried. "Oh, dear! That IS serious. This can only mean that you have a need to be needed. This shows that you are playing what the Transactional Analysists call the Alcoholic Game."

The psychologist took a few minutes to write down some notes. He then looked at Tomato. "I'm sorry, Mr. Tomato, but I am afraid that I will have to declare you unfit to continue with your duties. We can send a teacher out to work with children only if that teacher agrees perfectly with his supervisors, can concentrate on the task every second, and feels no responsibilty to his students."

So Tomato was deported to his own country. There he was hired back at his old job of delivering pizzas, which drove him even crazier.


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hamlet712



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Tomato

When your parents divorced they were still allowed to be brother and sister right?
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The gavel hit the table. "The annual meeting of the EPIK Teacher of the Year Nominating Committee will now begin. We shall now hear the first nomination. I see a hand up in the corner of the room."

A teacher stood up. "I am a teacher at 히늘 초등 학교, where Hamlet 712 is employed. One reason that I wish to nominate Hamlet for this award is his impeccable realism. In one class, Hamlet was showing an ABC book to the students. When he opened to the first page, a student yelled, 'Apple!' Hamlet said, 'Oh no, that isn't an apple, that's a picture of an apple.' Hamlet turned the page and another student yelled, 'Ball!' Hamlet said, 'Oh no, that isn't a ball, that's a picture of a ball.'

"A second reason why I believe that he should receive this award is his perfect agreeability. One time, someone told him to go fly a kite and he went and flew a kite. Another time, someone told him to go play in traffic so he went and played in traffic. Last I heard, he was saving up for major surgery because someone told him to go lay an egg.

"A third reason for my nomination is his single-minded dedication to his job responsibilties. One day, Hamlet got held up in a traffic jam and was running late for class. When he passed through the playground, he noticed that the school bullies were beating up on a new student. But he went on to class without reporting the incident, and he arrived in the classroom with 15 seconds to spare."

The President nodded. "We thank you for your very eloquent nomination speech. Is the principal of your school here with us also?"

The teacher shook her head. "The principal sends his regards. He is now visiting the new student who is currently in the intensive care unit."

While the teacher sat down, she smiled timidly in response to the thunderous applause. When the votes were cast, Hamlet won the Teacher of the Year title by a landslide. The next day, his picture appeared on the front page of The Korea Herald, and he was subsequently interviewed on the Arirang Channel.
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hamlet712



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your pathetic humor aside answer this very simple question ( so far you have ducked it)

DOES YOUR CLASSROOM HAVE WINDOWS????????

If so your entire argument is moronic and you are a bona fide idiot.

This is NOT about you wanting what is best for your students and you freaking know it. This is about you wanting your principal to agree that you are correct and it is about you wanting to do what you want to do.

Your reference to Eichman is ABSURD to say the least. You bringing up such a horrible and vile thing as the holocaust as an anaology for you having the right to " not do what you are told " and to turn on the lights is the stupidest thing I have ever heard on daves ( and there have been a LOT of idiots on here)

You bring up a FALSE argument, a non relevant analogy and wont confimr that your class has windows, as we are all pretty certain that it does.

And you want to tell us this is about the safety and or well being of your students?

You are pathetic.
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The Gipkik



Joined: 30 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's get back on target here. Someone mentioned having the lights on being good for the students, i.e., keeping them alert, etc. This is probably true if the classroom is quite dark, but recent studies indicate that keeping the lights low helps calm down hyperactive and troublesome students. Natural lighting has a soothing effect. In terms of reading, why not compromise? Turn the lights on during a reading activity, even peripheral lighting may be enough, and turn them off once the reading activity is complete.
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since it's all that important to you, and just so you can get some sleep tonight, yes, our classrooms have windows.

So I guess that proves by your logic that I am a bona fide idiot.
This is your modus ponens argument, as I understand it:

If Tomato's classrooms have windows, Tomato is a bona fide idiot.
(A implies B.)

Tomato's classrooms have windows.
(A.)

Therefore, Tomato is a bona fide idiot.
(Therefore, B.)

I am very sorry to hear that.
I try so hard not to be a bona fide idiot.
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