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moosehead

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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 8:37 am Post subject: |
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I've been out of the loop lately; busy w/other things - but I'd like to point out something - even Hitler wasn't Hitler his entire life - people tend to forget the fact that what made him so infamous was the last years of his life - up until that point in time - who would have believed what would happen, would actually happen? or could even happen?
the potential for such evil to happen again is always going to be with us - it takes a great deal of courage and energy to be ever watchful - without going overboard, of course - but all the same - we should be watchful; we owe it to those who died before us and our children whose future we are in charge of. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 24 Jan 2003 Location: Middle Land
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Ridiculous and actually liablous statement. |
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know how anyone could compare Obama to a far superior leader and icon of the 20th century!
"But Hitler was a tyrannical killer, how can you say he is great?"
Because by great, I mean immense or powerful. Not ethical. Hitler created an industrial war machine and an immense bureaucracy out of a financial mess. He conquered a handful of countries in a span of a few years.
What has Obama even really done yet to receive the accolades he does? Also, why do people get so paranoid about his policies as if they are going to lead to armageddon and holocausts? He's another average dude in the most esteemed elected office over a nation of brainwashed media-hounds which happens to have the most influence. He may have the charisma of Hitler, but that's about it. |
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visitorq
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
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Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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Eugenics never really went away, it was huge in America even before Hitler came to power (indeed he borrowed many of his ideas from the US and was funded heavily by people like the Rockefellers). We used to have forced sterilization in the US.
The people who control our wealth and dictate our policy continue to heavily support organizations spawned from the Eugenics movement to this day. Planned Parenthood and the World Wildlife Foundation are two prime examples. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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I see the video as something I can't watch all the way through because
1. It is just too conspiracy laden
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2. They would create a massive secret execution program with guillotines? Might as well start a world war using matchlocks and bayonets.
We just had a Secretary of Defense who put Bible quotes on war memos. I don't see the Defense department planning any executions of Christians anytime soon.
And though mama told me that ol' Jimmy up the road with the P.O.W. flag who doesn't pay taxes just up and disappeared along with Farmer Bob's chickens, I could only skim through the article. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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While I am not sure things may be implemented as described in the video, it is clear that the legislative architecture for a fascist state is pretty much in place. Remember, everything that Hitler did was legal under German law.
My hope is that there are enough good men in uniform who will refuse to obey orders violating human rights against their fellow citizens. |
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mole

Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Location: Act III
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 12:55 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
While I am not sure things may be implemented as described in the video, it is clear that the legislative architecture for a fascist state is pretty much in place. Remember, everything that Hitler did was legal under German law.
My hope is that there are enough good men in uniform who will refuse to obey orders violating human rights against their fellow citizens. |
There are or there is, but the thing is, we got Nancy Pelosi, speaker of the house of representatives, devout gun-hater,
and Napolitano, devout I don't know, some say nazi, but nevertheless way overstepping the Constitutional bounds the federal government is granted,
pushing policy that violates civil liberties, and encroaching on states' legislatures and people seem to think it's just another session in congress.
Well, it is. But the stuff they pass off as law affects all of us in profound ways.
And it is We the Peoples' Constitutional responsibility and duty to call out those people and policies that aren't right
and to inform and educate the masses to what is reality. |
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mole

Joined: 06 Feb 2003 Location: Act III
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 1:06 am Post subject: |
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I see the video as something I can't watch all the way through because
1. It is just too conspiracy laden
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I think I follow your train of thought here, but really, when did "conspiracy" or even "conspiracy theory" become dirty words. Something we must automatically abhor or disregard.
"It is too conspiracy laden" to me sounds like [Captain Obvious]
"Your mullet hairdo is sooo 80's."
Really, djsmnc, that one phrase is all I'm harping on here. |
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Mr. BlackCat

Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Location: Insert witty remark HERE
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 2:10 am Post subject: |
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You people are nuts. While I'm all for keeping an eye on politicians, relax. Bush was just some guy, not the anti-christ. Obama is just some guy, not the anti-christ. Do you honestly believe that much seperates them? Sorry to be the one who has to tell you, but the Dems and GOPs are pretty much the same, controlled by the same people. Yes, we can disagree on several points but I know millions of Americans will not start rounding up Chirstians or whatever in camps. They didn't even do that after 9/11 with Arabs and that would have been primetime for that operation.
When did disagreeing with someone mean that the other person is an evil menace out to destroy the world? Do you think one man really can change that much? Hitler wasn't just one man, he was a creation of the exact time and place he came from. He was just the mouthpiece of the larger body. He didn't invent anti-semitism nor the idea of genocide. Can we please stop calling everyone we disagree with a Nazi? You sound like some loser who calls all the girls who shoot him down 'skanks'.
Assisted suicide, like abortion and several other issues are very complex. There is no certainty on any side of the discussion. Grow up, the world is bigger than you and your ego. |
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djsmnc

Joined: 20 Jan 2003 Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:48 am Post subject: |
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| mole wrote: |
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I see the video as something I can't watch all the way through because
1. It is just too conspiracy laden
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I think I follow your train of thought here, but really, when did "conspiracy" or even "conspiracy theory" become dirty words. Something we must automatically abhor or disregard.
"It is too conspiracy laden" to me sounds like [Captain Obvious]
"Your mullet hairdo is sooo 80's."
Really, djsmnc, that one phrase is all I'm harping on here. |
Point taken, but wouldn't we also say that one can be too deluded by the perception of a conspiracy as a schizophrenic might be? I'm not saying that the writer of the article is schizophrenic by any means, but that the writing itself seems to strongly imply that a quite implausible conspiracy is going on. It seems to me to be an article that is thick with conspiracy. Maybe I could have clarified with "It is too implausibly conspiracy laden" |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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So how about this?
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20090628002318583
Sunday, June 28 2009 - Civil Liberties-Police State
Obama contemplates Executive Order for detention without charges
by Glenn Greenwald
Saturday, June 27, 2009
Salon.comWhen Obama first unveiled his "preventive detention" policy, many defenders praised him (and claimed he was different than Bush) because of his vow that -- as he put it -- "my Administration will work with Congress to develop an appropriate legal regime." But now, relying exclusively on three Obama officials speaking behind a veil of anonymity, Peter Finn and Dafner Linza of The Washington Post and ProPublica report that the White House is "crafting language for an executive order that would reassert presidential authority to incarcerate terrorism suspects indefinitely." TPM calls this "the latest installment in the Obama administration's tendency to mimic the Bushies on war on terror tactics." And the article itself points out the obvious: "Such an order would embrace claims by former president George W. Bush that certain people can be detained without trial for long periods under the laws of war." Revealingly, the article quotes two Bush national security officials justifying the need for detention without charges.
or this:
www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/con_camps.htm
or this:
http://www.educate-yourself.org/ps/guillotinesinamerica15feb09.shtml |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 9:21 am Post subject: |
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So how about this?
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20090628002318583
Sunday, June 28 2009 - Civil Liberties-Police State
Obama contemplates Executive Order for detention without charges
by Glenn Greenwald
Saturday, June 27, 2009
Salon.comWhen Obama first unveiled his "preventive detention" policy, many defenders praised him (and claimed he was different than Bush) because of his vow that -- as he put it -- "my Administration will work with Congress to develop an appropriate legal regime." But now, relying exclusively on three Obama officials speaking behind a veil of anonymity, Peter Finn and Dafner Linza of The Washington Post and ProPublica report that the White House is "crafting language for an executive order that would reassert presidential authority to incarcerate terrorism suspects indefinitely." TPM calls this "the latest installment in the Obama administration's tendency to mimic the Bushies on war on terror tactics." And the article itself points out the obvious: "Such an order would embrace claims by former president George W. Bush that certain people can be detained without trial for long periods under the laws of war." Revealingly, the article quotes two Bush national security officials justifying the need for detention without charges.l |
cf. Obama's Minority Report |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 9:50 pm Post subject: |
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OTOH and others, what do you think of this?
Oregon Offers Terminal Patients Doctor-Assisted Suicide Instead of Medical Care
By Dan Springer, Fox News
Some terminally ill patients in Oregon who turned to their state for health care were denied treatment and offered doctor-assisted suicide instead, a proposal some experts have called a "chilling" corruption of medical ethics.
Since the spread of his prostate cancer, 53-year-old Randy Stroup of Dexter, Ore., has been in a fight for his life. Uninsured and unable to pay for expensive chemotherapy, he applied to Oregon's state-run health plan for help.
Lane Individual Practice Association (LIPA), which administers the Oregon Health Plan in Lane County, responded to Stroup's request with a letter saying the state would not cover Stroup's pricey treatment, but would pay for the cost of physician-assisted suicide.
"It dropped my chin to the floor," Stroup told FOX News. "[How could they] not pay for medication that would help my life, and yet offer to pay to end my life?"
The letter, which has been sent to other terminal patients throughout Oregon, follows guidelines established by the state legislature.
full article at link |
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Enrico Palazzo Mod Team


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Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 6:54 am Post subject: |
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| Please, no spamming on the boards with huge article after huge article in a thread. It's an eye-sore, and we've mentioned this before. |
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