Site Search:
 
Speak Korean Now!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Paul: Obama, Congress' goal: economic collapse

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Current Events Forum
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:00 am    Post subject: Paul: Obama, Congress' goal: economic collapse Reply with quote

Once again, telling it like it is.

Ron Paul: Obama�s �goal� is economic collapse

By David Edwards and Stephen Webster

Published: June 23, 2009
Updated 1 day ago


Ron Paul, the popular Republican Congressman from Texas, is ripping into the president and Congress for what he sees as their �goal� with round after round of stimulus: complete economic collapse.

�From their spending habits, an economic collapse seems to be the goal of Congress and this administration,� he said in his June 22, 2009, weekly address.

He added that Democrats who voted for the president�s war funding request, which gave an additional $106 billion to military operations in Afghanistan and Iraq � among other, unrelated items � were actually voting in favor of the wars, not just authorization of the president�s agenda.

He called it an affront to everyone who believed a vote for Obama was a vote for a peace candidate.


The president�s insistence on including an additional $108 billion in asset exchange with the International Monetary Fund is merely �buying global oppression,� he said.

Paul added that, �this [bill sent] $660 million to Gaza, $555 million to Israel, $310 million to Egypt, $300 million to Jordan and $420 million to Mexico; and some $889 million will be sent to the United Nations for so-called peace keeping missions.�

In other words, the latest U.S. war funding was an �International bailout,� he said.


The legislation�s provisions for the IMF included 100 billion dollars for the New Arrangements to Borrow (NAB), a credit instrument providing the multilateral institution with additional resources to deal with exceptional risks to the stability of the international monetary system.

They also include an expansion of the nation�s special drawing rights by five billion SDRs, adding roughly eight billion dollars to the IMF�s financial firepower.

The 100 billion dollars for the NAB acts as a credit line for the IMF in case member countries need emergency loans that exceed the institution�s resources. As such, the money is not considered an immediate budget expense.

Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) had proposed to strip out the IMF funds, but his measure was defeated in May by a vote of 64-30.

�Not only does sending money to the IMF hurt citizens here, evidence shows that it even hurts those it pretends to help,� Paul said. �Along with IMF loans come IMF required policy changes called �structural adjustment programs,� which amount to forced Keynesianism. This is the very fantasy-infused economic model that brought our own country to its knees.�

This audio is from Congressman Ron Paul�s weekly address, released June 22, 2009.

at link
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
visitorq



Joined: 11 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's intentional too -- it has to be. They're just trying to milk the dollar for every last bit of its worth, pumping it into the military (maybe preparing for an expanded war for all we know) and go out with a controlled bang. In any case, they're prepared for it.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
RJjr



Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp

PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think they actually want the economy to collapse. They just want to loot as much as possible before the thing implodes. They're abusing their positions of authority.

It would be like firemen called to put out a blaze at a mansion in Anytown, USA. Instead of putting out the fire, the firemen see gold bars laying in an open safe and diamond jewelry laying on the dresser. They go nuts, lay down their water hoses, and stuff their pockets full of the valuables as the fire builds into an inferno. The firemen aren't wanting the house to burn and collapse. They're just too busy looting to care. Screw the homeowner. The firemen can go live big in Switzerland, the Cayman Islands, or Israel now. The homeowner in Anytown, USA will just have to move on with his life and find a way to rebuild.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^I like your analogy.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, regardless if McCain or Obama were in, the country is spiraling towards economic collapse. Personally I think McCain would have taken us there even faster with his intense military spending in overdrive that he wanted to do.

Obama was always a confusing one. The Republicans and Conservatives CONSTANTLY tell us how military the Dems will withdraw us from everything and we'll be defenseless, however all of Obama and Dems messages were the exact opposite to those propoganda campaigns.

So, basically, Obama/Dems are just doing the military thing as they said they would be doing all along anyways.

If someone DIDN'T want to do the military thing, RON PAUL and a few other DEMS like KUCINICH were the ONLY few talking about it.

To vote in Obama, and than assume he was somehow turn into a Kucinich/Ron Paul when it came to the military, was probably throwing away your vote.

ANYWAYS...yeah, economic collapse is written down regardless if McCain or Obama got in, but I think Obama in the presidency will make it a bit ligher of one, whereas with a McCain, I think a brutal no-care, no-interest, no-policy to even consider helping people through it would have occurred.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
visitorq



Joined: 11 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RJjr wrote:
I don't think they actually want the economy to collapse. They just want to loot as much as possible before the thing implodes. They're abusing their positions of authority.

It would be like firemen called to put out a blaze at a mansion in Anytown, USA. Instead of putting out the fire, the firemen see gold bars laying in an open safe and diamond jewelry laying on the dresser. They go nuts, lay down their water hoses, and stuff their pockets full of the valuables as the fire builds into an inferno. The firemen aren't wanting the house to burn and collapse. They're just too busy looting to care. Screw the homeowner. The firemen can go live big in Switzerland, the Cayman Islands, or Israel now. The homeowner in Anytown, USA will just have to move on with his life and find a way to rebuild.

Yeah I agree, I don't think they want it to happen per se, just that it was always an inevitability built into the system (ponzi schemes must fail), and that they've know for a long time it was coming. Rather than letting it collapse in a disorganized way, they are orchestrating it to best achieve their ends (ie. raping the wealth of the nation, devastating the middle class, empowering the military etc.)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiger Beer wrote:
Well, regardless if McCain or Obama were in, the country is spiraling towards economic collapse. Personally I think McCain would have taken us there even faster with his intense military spending in overdrive that he wanted to do.

Obama was always a confusing one. The Republicans and Conservatives CONSTANTLY tell us how military the Dems will withdraw us from everything and we'll be defenseless, however all of Obama and Dems messages were the exact opposite to those propoganda campaigns.

So, basically, Obama/Dems are just doing the military thing as they said they would be doing all along anyways.

If someone DIDN'T want to do the military thing, RON PAUL and a few other DEMS like KUCINICH were the ONLY few talking about it.

To vote in Obama, and than assume he was somehow turn into a Kucinich/Ron Paul when it came to the military, was probably throwing away your vote.

ANYWAYS...yeah, economic collapse is written down regardless if McCain or Obama got in, but I think Obama in the presidency will make it a bit ligher of one, whereas with a McCain, I think a brutal no-care, no-interest, no-policy to even consider helping people through it would have occurred.

WTF are you talking about? Obama has taken military spending to new heights. You mean McCain would have taken them even higher? Do you really think that is a significant difference?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bacasper wrote:
Tiger Beer wrote:
Well, regardless if McCain or Obama were in, the country is spiraling towards economic collapse. Personally I think McCain would have taken us there even faster with his intense military spending in overdrive that he wanted to do.

Obama was always a confusing one. The Republicans and Conservatives CONSTANTLY tell us how military the Dems will withdraw us from everything and we'll be defenseless, however all of Obama and Dems messages were the exact opposite to those propoganda campaigns.

So, basically, Obama/Dems are just doing the military thing as they said they would be doing all along anyways.

If someone DIDN'T want to do the military thing, RON PAUL and a few other DEMS like KUCINICH were the ONLY few talking about it.

To vote in Obama, and than assume he was somehow turn into a Kucinich/Ron Paul when it came to the military, was probably throwing away your vote.

ANYWAYS...yeah, economic collapse is written down regardless if McCain or Obama got in, but I think Obama in the presidency will make it a bit ligher of one, whereas with a McCain, I think a brutal no-care, no-interest, no-policy to even consider helping people through it would have occurred.

WTF are you talking about? Obama has taken military spending to new heights. You mean McCain would have taken them even higher? Do you really think that is a significant difference?


Yes, that is what he is saying.

But I'm not sure I agree. First, has military spending honestly gone up that much? Robert Gates has cut out a lot of wasteful programs. Or is trying to at least.

And I'm not sure I agree with TB. Perhaps if McCain would have gotten a new Sec. of Defense other than Gates, I'd agree. If McCain would have kept him on, I think the military's spending budget would have been about the same.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
lithium



Joined: 18 Jun 2008

PostPosted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiger Beer wrote:
Well, regardless if McCain or Obama were in, the country is spiraling towards economic collapse. Personally I think McCain would have taken us there even faster with his intense military spending in overdrive that he wanted to do.

Obama was always a confusing one. The Republicans and Conservatives CONSTANTLY tell us how military the Dems will withdraw us from everything and we'll be defenseless, however all of Obama and Dems messages were the exact opposite to those propoganda campaigns.

So, basically, Obama/Dems are just doing the military thing as they said they would be doing all along anyways.

If someone DIDN'T want to do the military thing, RON PAUL and a few other DEMS like KUCINICH were the ONLY few talking about it.

To vote in Obama, and than assume he was somehow turn into a Kucinich/Ron Paul when it came to the military, was probably throwing away your vote.

ANYWAYS...yeah, economic collapse is written down regardless if McCain or Obama got in, but I think Obama in the presidency will make it a bit ligher of one, whereas with a McCain, I think a brutal no-care, no-interest, no-policy to even consider helping people through it would have occurred.


How on earth can you say Obama will be a lighter collapse when he is the main reason things are the way they are now? He has spent this country in to a debt your grandchildren will be paying for and the sad thing is is that he wants to bury us deeper with healthcare. This is the worst president this country has ever had and only a miracle will save us; hopefully that is the 2010 elections.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
bacasper



Joined: 26 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lithium wrote:
Tiger Beer wrote:

ANYWAYS...yeah, economic collapse is written down regardless if McCain or Obama got in, but I think Obama in the presidency will make it a bit ligher of one, whereas with a McCain, I think a brutal no-care, no-interest, no-policy to even consider helping people through it would have occurred.


How on earth can you say Obama will be a lighter collapse when he is the main reason things are the way they are now? He has spent this country in to a debt your grandchildren will be paying for and the sad thing is is that he wants to bury us deeper with healthcare. This is the worst president this country has ever had and only a miracle will save us; hopefully that is the 2010 elections.

While I do not necessarily agree with TB, it is disingenuous to blame all this spending on Obama or any single president or party. Bush began the bailouts, remember? And the military had been in super spending mode for the eight years before that. You want to place more blame on a guy who's been doing it for 5 months than the one who did it for eight years? Question

The 2010 elections??? Unfortunately, I do not think you are referring to third parties here, but your typical Demoblicans. Is there anyone else who still believes that replacing TweedleDum with TweedleDee will really make some significant change?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lithium wrote:
How on earth can you say Obama will be a lighter collapse when he is the main reason things are the way they are now? He has spent this country in to a debt your grandchildren will be paying for and the sad thing is is that he wants to bury us deeper with healthcare. This is the worst president this country has ever had and only a miracle will save us; hopefully that is the 2010 elections.

The main reason we are they way we are now? Are you kidding me? BUSH. The economy and the decificit was a direct result of having Bush in office. Everything went to hell before Obama even got in. 8 years of neglecting all things domestic, letting Wall Street run a muck, and encouraging the housing debacle is what made us the way we are now.

Regarding healthcare, Obama has done nothing yet. Yet we still have a horrible system and tens of millions uninsured. Someone is going to have to address it at some point...and you can't say Obama is the worst president ever for simply desiring to do something about yet another debacle.

I guess your idea of a good President is one who does nothing and has no ideas to do anything either. Well, you had that for 8 years already and America went to hell. 5 months of someone trying to do something hasn't hurt anything yet.

What exactly do you want out of a President? A 'do-nothing' one or a 'do-something' one? If you want them to do something, what do you want them to do? I'm just curious what vision you have that isn't occuring for you...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
RJjr



Joined: 17 Aug 2006
Location: Turning on a Lamp

PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiger Beer wrote:
Well, regardless if McCain or Obama were in, the country is spiraling towards economic collapse. Personally I think McCain would have taken us there even faster with his intense military spending in overdrive that he wanted to do.

Obama was always a confusing one. The Republicans and Conservatives CONSTANTLY tell us how military the Dems will withdraw us from everything and we'll be defenseless, however all of Obama and Dems messages were the exact opposite to those propoganda campaigns.

So, basically, Obama/Dems are just doing the military thing as they said they would be doing all along anyways.

If someone DIDN'T want to do the military thing, RON PAUL and a few other DEMS like KUCINICH were the ONLY few talking about it.

To vote in Obama, and than assume he was somehow turn into a Kucinich/Ron Paul when it came to the military, was probably throwing away your vote.

ANYWAYS...yeah, economic collapse is written down regardless if McCain or Obama got in, but I think Obama in the presidency will make it a bit ligher of one, whereas with a McCain, I think a brutal no-care, no-interest, no-policy to even consider helping people through it would have occurred.


100% right.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
princess



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: soul of Asia

PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course. The new world order and all it stands for has been in the makings for years. But so many people are fooled. They actually think things will get better. Afraid not...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Current Events Forum All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

TEFL International Supports Dave's ESL Cafe
TEFL Courses, TESOL Course, English Teaching Jobs - TEFL International