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A twosome is not employable?

 
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Atramentous



Joined: 12 Jan 2008
Location: Ansan

PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 10:02 pm    Post subject: A twosome is not employable? Reply with quote

My friend and I have been applying for jobs as a twosome. Two women - One American, one South African - we are both certified teachers. Why is the process so difficult for recruiters to place us near eachother? We are good friends and want to teach near eachother.

We both have ESL experience. How difficult is it to place us? Anyone have any insight into this problem. We did request a big city - Seoul or the surrounding suburbs. Is this the problem? It seems that as we are not a couple - this poses an issue. But why?
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oldfatfarang



Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You may just be having troubles with the Korean Way. That is, Koreans do everything at the last minute, and they show little planning skills. The private and public education system here is in a state of perpetual chaos (in western thinking). Western teachers come and go (some suddenly), and K public schools never know until the last minute if they're going to receive funding for a GET.

Also, public school recruiters can't give you both a definite (and similar) location - as they lie (or refuse to tell) prospective teachers about their ultimate destinations. That because many teachers wouldn't come here if they knew they were going to be teaching in rural rice-ville.

Hakwon recruiters are no better. They will string prospective teachers along with preferred locations (even when there are no vacancies), and then suddenly offer a new location that's just come up. This is the infamous Bait and Switch.

Also, your post sounds like you are a couple. If you are, I strongly advise telling anyone (recruiter or K school) that you are a couple. This is a very conservative country.

Try for large cities - and change your recruiter.

Good luck.
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Atramentous



Joined: 12 Jan 2008
Location: Ansan

PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for your advice. Here's the thing - we are really NOT a couple. We really are just two friends that are seeking employment together. Teaching positions are scarce in my area due to budgetary issues and she doesn't want to teach in a bush school.

I gather that we should just keep applying to as many recruiting agencies as possible then. Maybe someone will believe us that we are just friends. Lol.

Anything else? Any recruiting agencies that anyone might advise that are not totaly shysters?
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oldfatfarang



Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: On the road to somewhere.

PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try some of the bigger recruiters (I use Footprints and have no problems). Bigger recruiters have a bit of pull with POE's - and possibly more vacancies to fill.

But be warned, with any recruiter, you have to take what your told with a bag of salt.

Keep trying, and good luck.
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, please be aware of the following. If you find a good school for both of you, then great. However, if you find a bad school for both of you, then you will both get screwed. It might be better for you two to get 2 different schools, and then one person goes to the better school when it's possible.

This will help to make sure you are both not out on the streets if something goes bad. I worked alongside a couple, and the boyfriend decided to leave. So, the school decided to treat the girlfriend poorly I guess as revenge. Hopefully, you two won't experience this.
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Otherside



Joined: 06 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lifeinkorea wrote:
Also, please be aware of the following. If you find a good school for both of you, then great. However, if you find a bad school for both of you, then you will both get screwed. It might be better for you two to get 2 different schools, and then one person goes to the better school when it's possible.

This will help to make sure you are both not out on the streets if something goes bad. I worked alongside a couple, and the boyfriend decided to leave. So, the school decided to treat the girlfriend poorly I guess as revenge. Hopefully, you two won't experience this.


Valid point, but the OP isn't looking for 1 school for two teachers, rather 2 schools within a reasonable distance of eachother, so that they could perhaps live in the same apartment block. Considering the amount of public schools in urban areas, often with 2 elementary schools within a 10minute walk of eachother, it shouldn't be difficult for a recruiter to find a central point (for an apartment) and find 2 schools within a reasonable commute. Other than that, the OP doesn't seem to picky on location.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System

PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Also, your post sounds like you are a couple. If you are, I strongly advise telling anyone (recruiter or K school) that you are a couple


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Two women


They should most definately NOT say they are a couple. This being conservative Korea.

Anyways, best of luck, just be prepared to work in the middle of nowhere if you do want to be together.

Also, you mgiht teach in the same county, but at different schools which should not be too bad. Usually in places like that you live in the same city, and just commute to the rural areas.
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SSA



Joined: 20 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We applied through Footprints Recruiting. I am here with a friend of 5 years. We are also both female and not in any form of relationship. I also know two women who are cousins who also came here together.

All with EPIK.

Hope this helps.
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meghanr83



Joined: 15 Jun 2009
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 2:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am having some trouble from recruiters right now as well.
My boyfriend and I are trying to secure employment in South Korea for September. He has his Master's in English and wants a university job. I have my bachelor's and I am open to public schools and hogwans. We want to live in the same city, but not a big one. We have a list of cities that we have researched and want to be in. They say this is being too picky. Any advice?
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Otherside



Joined: 06 Sep 2007

PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

meghanreynolds wrote:
I am having some trouble from recruiters right now as well.
My boyfriend and I are trying to secure employment in South Korea for September. He has his Master's in English and wants a university job. I have my bachelor's and I am open to public schools and hogwans. We want to live in the same city, but not a big one. We have a list of cities that we have researched and want to be in. They say this is being too picky. Any advice?


Not being too picky at all.

The problem is...you've left it rather late, most Universities have finished hiring, and the hiring for public schools is quickly drawing to a close. Also, most Universities do their own hiring, so you'd have to deal with 2 "recruiters". Who won't necessarily be on the same page.

Best way to go about this, is for your boyfriend to find the Uni Job first. They are rarer than the public/hagwon jobs and thus best to close that down, so you know where to look for your job. Once he has his job down, you can look for any hagwon/ps job in that area. Ideally, if you can wait for a March start, there will be far more options available, as you could get in early...rather than picking up the leftovers.
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Justsurfin12



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 6:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Somewhere in my reading/researching about going to Korea it stated that many schools are leery of hiring friends coming together as a "package deal", 'cause if one gets homesick and leaves the other frequently leaves as well-- doubling the risk to the school...
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Atramentous



Joined: 12 Jan 2008
Location: Ansan

PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justsurfin12 wrote:
Somewhere in my reading/researching about going to Korea it stated that many schools are leery of hiring friends coming together as a "package deal", 'cause if one gets homesick and leaves the other frequently leaves as well-- doubling the risk to the school...


I am sort of getting this feeling as well.

How would I best convey the message that neither one of us is likely to get homesick? It simply isn't in either of our natures. My friend has previously taught in SK (2 yrs) and didn't find it an issue. I have lived away from home for far long enough to know that homesickness is not an issue for me either. It is just frustrating as I know that for many this might be their first time out of country or even out of the home area. We both have travelled alot and have lived far away from home in other countries previously.
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