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Robot_Teacher
Joined: 18 Feb 2009 Location: Robotting Around the World
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:19 am Post subject: |
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Bacasper, yep, I knew that about insecure men with homosexual feelings. It's so funny after you realize it. Once you realize and know this, you laugh in those paranoids faces suspecting you're a queer for wearing a left earring, grooming, working out, and wearing nice looking clothes. They find you attractive!!!
No, I don't compare gay people to pedophiles, just comparing people who don't meet the status quo. It's OK for consenting adults to do whatever, but for a 40 or 70 year old man to be with a 10 year old is downright wrong as the 10 year old is not matured enough to make a decision like that. Back in the old days and still in 3rd world communities, kids do have kids. Well in America, since the early 90's it's not uncommon for a 12 to 14 year old girl to pop a baby, but it's usually a teen father though not always. Sometimes sick 50 to 60 year old perverts do this. And get away with it.
The amish in America get married and have kids at 13 to 14 years old while this is also stone age old thing common in Africa too, but they're the same age range so it's OK if that works in their communities. Back in King Tut's time, it was like that, 14 was child bearing prime time as well as time to get married, but most Westerners see 18 to 99+ years old as the time to have sex and get married with 25 being ripe to have a baby; not 14.
The gigs up, we know insecure combative ostracizing Erotophobic people have serious personal issues of insecurity and should not be taken seriously. For gods sake, don't boast about how you like to have sex while on duty, even if you're straight. It's unprofessional in any setting unless working the bar or poofhouse.
Wow, erotophobic is not even in my dictionary. That's quite a brilliant scientific psychology term. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| Robot_Teacher wrote: |
| Bacasper, yep, I knew that about insecure men with homosexual feelings. It's so funny after you realize it. Once you realize and know this, you laugh in those paranoids faces suspecting you're a queer for wearing a left earring, grooming, working out, and wearing nice looking clothes. They find you attractive!!! |
Except that it is not that funny when the same people are on the verge of assaulting you for your sexuality.
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| No, I don't compare gay people to pedophiles, just comparing people who don't meet the status quo. |
However, as anathema as it is for some in the mainstream gay community to admit, at the interface between adult homosexuality and homosexual pedophilia, there is a large grey area. Homosexual ephebophilia, anyone?
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The gigs up, we know insecure combative ostracizing Erotophobic people have serious personal issues of insecurity and should not be taken seriously. For gods sake, don't boast about how you like to have sex while on duty, even if you're straight. It's unprofessional in any setting unless working the bar or poofhouse.
Wow, erotophobic is not even in my dictionary. That's quite a brilliant scientific psychology term. |
I am happy to have added a word to your vocabulary. Now learn to apply it in its fullest sense. It is larger than the mere homophobia like the examples you gave. It also encompasses things like skewering our politicians for having affairs, and constant scare-mongering to pass ever more draconian sex laws, (e.g. a guy having to go on a sex registry because, after leaving the bar, he took a leak against the side of a building!), or the idea that a young teen choosing to engage in sex will traumatize him or her for life.
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catman

Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| The British military actively recruits from the gay community. How does firing someone with sort after skills maintain force security? |
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Israel does too. But what would they know about security risks right?
This law is not based on logic but on bigotry. |
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RJjr

Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Location: Turning on a Lamp
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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How far do the sex rules go in the military? Okay, we know all about the rules against gays, but how about straight soldiers?
Is fornication with the opposite gender okay?
Is anal sex with the opposite gender okay?
Is it okay to have a three way with two people of the opposite sex if the other two don't have gay contact with each other? Or what if the soldier has only straight contact with his two bedbuddies, but the other two also engage in gay sex with each other?
Is it okay if a soldier looks at porn of the opposite gender?
What if a male soldier's wife uses a strap-on on him? What if a female soldier uses a strap-on on her husband?
If a soldier has a spouse or girlfriend/boyfriend that's a post-op transsexual, is that okay? Or what if a male soldier has a girlfriend that is a dude, but he doesn't know it?
What if a soldier used to be gay, but went to church and all of that and changed to being straight? Is the former homosexuality held against him/her? |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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^ If a male soldier touches his own p-nis, or a female her own vagina, is that considered a homosexual act?
What if he used to teach in Korea and once held his girlfriend's bag?
What if he went to a single-sex high school and was chosen for a female role in the school play?
etc.
So many unanswered questions... |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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And I don't buy the nonsense about him being forced to lie for more than a year. What, are people repeatedly coming up to him and asking him "are you gay?"
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You should stick to posting your opinions on subjects you actually know something about.
I suggest you take your own advice.
When you are gay, and working with a bunch of guys, you are going to have to choose to do one of the following;
A) Come out with it.
Why is that? I've worked with many people in many situations. Not a single person that I knew ever publicly proclaimed their sexuality whether hetero or homo. This is a private matter, so keep it private. It's nobody else's business so don't make it theirs.
B) Become part of the group but force yourself to hide a part of yourself (this in most cases involves lying, and always involves untruthfulness).
Unless they are extremely homophobic or enjoy visiting prostitutes every weekend, I don't see how that involves lying. It's not like most people are going to come right out and ask "are you gay?"
And he probably wouldn't be interested in being part of those groups anyway.
C) Keep a distance and avoid making friends. Being social animals, and keeping in mind that army life can involve high stress, this is not something everybody can manage.
See A. Keep your sexuality to yourself. You can be friends without ever knowing the other person's preferences. Now if you are talking very close friends...then maybe...but for those he'd likely find like-minded individuals or open minded heteros who aren't going to make an issue of it.
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| He knew what he was getting into. No one forced him to sign on for the Army. |
You knew you'd be discriminated against if you joined the army and made an issue of it, and you did it anyway. So I refuse to hear of the said discrimination. It says right here in the rule-book! The rule-book!!!!! There'd be chaos without it!!! Chaos I tell you!!! |
He made the choice to be discriminated against. Being gay or for that matter straight is not something you have to publicize to the entire world. |
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catman

Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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He made the choice to be discriminated against. Being gay or for that matter straight is not something you have to publicize to the entire world. |
So straight guys in the army NEVER talk about their wives/girlfriends?  |
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Fox

Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| He made the choice to be discriminated against. Being gay or for that matter straight is not something you have to publicize to the entire world. |
Others also made the choice to discriminate against him. It's not like this policy is some unalterable fact of life, people are chose to implement, are choosing to allow it to continue exist, and are choosing to enforce it. These people are actively discriminating against homosexuals. Our society stopped tolerating that in it's private sector, why on Earth should we tolerate it in the military sector? |
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RJjr

Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Location: Turning on a Lamp
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 4:50 am Post subject: |
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We have "straight" soldiers putting male POWs into nudemanpiles and anally sodomizing them. But a monogamous relationship between Mr. Choi and his boyfriend just plain wrong!  |
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RJjr

Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Location: Turning on a Lamp
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:15 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
^ If a male soldier touches his own p-nis, or a female her own vagina, is that considered a homosexual act?
What if he used to teach in Korea and once held his girlfriend's bag?
What if he went to a single-sex high school and was chosen for a female role in the school play?
etc.
So many unanswered questions... |
Good ones!
If Uncle Sam ever calls to tell me I've been drafted I guess I'll either tell them http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j340FcLHrms if I have three or four minutes to spare. If they interrupt me while I'm in a hurry doing something, I'll just tell them I'm gay and hang up on them and go back to my biz.  |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| catman wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
He made the choice to be discriminated against. Being gay or for that matter straight is not something you have to publicize to the entire world. |
So straight guys in the army NEVER talk about their wives/girlfriends?  |
"Being gay or for that matter straight is not something you HAVE to publicize to the entire world."
Clearer now? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| He made the choice to be discriminated against. Being gay or for that matter straight is not something you have to publicize to the entire world. |
Others also made the choice to discriminate against him. It's not like this policy is some unalterable fact of life, people are chose to implement, are choosing to allow it to continue exist, and are choosing to enforce it. These people are actively discriminating against homosexuals. Our society stopped tolerating that in it's private sector, why on Earth should we tolerate it in the military sector? |
See, that's not the thing though. We can all wave our hands in horror "oh why should we tolerate this>" But facts are facts. The military DOES discriminate against homosexuals and he DID make that choice. Whether it should or should not be, is a different kettle of fish. One is factual (the way things are) and one is academic (the way things should be). |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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"Being gay or for that matter straight is not something you HAVE to publicize to the entire world." |
Yes. There are some things which generally are better not spoken of. Our sex lives is one of them. |
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RJjr

Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Location: Turning on a Lamp
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 8:56 pm Post subject: |
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Look on the bright side, folks. If America is ever invaded by a foreign enemy, we know that Mr. Choi is willing to risk his life to protect us and our country. He won't be dying in Iraq now. He'll be living here with us.
Besides, look how much more effective private Iraqi insurgents operating on their own are than Iraq's national army was. Mr. Choi would probably be a more effective soldier on his own than as a part of the bloated, inept government program we call the military. |
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ubermenzch

Joined: 09 Jun 2008 Location: bundang, south korea
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
I've worked with many people in many situations. Not a single person that I knew ever publicly proclaimed their sexuality whether hetero or homo. This is a private matter, so keep it private. It's nobody else's business so don't make it theirs.
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Of course people don't go around publicly proclaiming their sexuality. But if you think about it for more than a passing second, you'll realize there are subtler ways of getting the news out than blaring it out on a megaphone. In every workplace I've ever been employed at, heterosexuality is basically smeared in my face. It cannot be escaped. And this is to be expected. I just don't like your pretending it's as easy as "keeping it a private matter" and not making it other people's business.
Your posts betray an immense ignorance. |
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