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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
| Take it up with Uncle Sam, then. |
If a representative of our government were here now, I would do so gladly. Because you -- rather than a representative of our government -- are the one here claiming Hispanic "Origin" is determined by surname alone, I'm taking it up with you.
| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
| Because they are keen observers of human behavior. I guarantee you they would applaud Greg's dirty trick as the right thing to do. Not the honest thing to do, but virtuous. |
Well, thank you for your speculation of what long dead men might say and think regarding our discussion were they here. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
| Take it up with Uncle Sam, then. |
If a representative of our government were here now, I would do so gladly. Because you -- rather than a representative of our government -- are the one here claiming Hispanic "Origin" is determined by surname alone, I'm taking it up with you. |
I don't have a definition. Or at least not a "perfect" one. My definition --- if I could think one up --- would be irrelevant. And so would yours. I merely state what I believe to be the US government's definition and, for the moment, it seems an Hispanic surname will satisfy the US government's requirements.
Sorry I can't make you understand that. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
| Take it up with Uncle Sam, then. |
If a representative of our government were here now, I would do so gladly. Because you -- rather than a representative of our government -- are the one here claiming Hispanic "Origin" is determined by surname alone, I'm taking it up with you. |
I don't have a definition. My definition --- if I could think one up --- would be irrelevant. |
And yet you stated that he's Hispanic. Not that the United States government thinks he is, but that he is. You also stated that he is not scamming the system, which also requires him to be Hispanic.
| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
| And so would yours. |
And yet, you asked me for my definition more than once. Why, if it's irrelevent? |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
And yet you stated that he's Hispanic. Not that the United States government thinks he is, but that he is. You also stated that he is not scamming the system, which also requires him to be Hispanic.
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If the government is satisfied, then I am satisfied. If you are not then it falls on you to say why, not me. Don't you think so?
| Fox wrote: |
| And yet, you asked me for my definition more than once. Why, if it's irrelevent? |
I believed your position to be irrelevant from the beginning, since the US has its own guidelines. And they really don't check in on this website.
But if you want to replace their wisdom with your own, don't you think you ought to at least say what it is? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
And yet you stated that he's Hispanic. Not that the United States government thinks he is, but that he is. You also stated that he is not scamming the system, which also requires him to be Hispanic.
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If the government is satisfied, then I am satisfied. If you are not then it falls on you to say why, not me. Don't you think so? |
And I've all ready said why, repeatedly: because Cordova himself made it clear he's not. I understand you can't accept that, because it would render invalid and meaningless everything you've said thus far, but it's the case.
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| Fox wrote: |
| And yet, you asked me for my definition more than once. Why, if it's irrelevent? |
I believed your position to be irrelevant from the beginning, since the US has its own guidelines.
But if you want to replace their wisdom with your own, don't you think you ought to say what it is? No matter what I may think about it. |
With someone discussing in good faith and with a genuine interest in the topic at hand, I'd happily discuss it. With you, not so much; I'm content to limit myself to what my case requires here. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| And I've all ready said why, repeatedly: because Cordova himself made it clear he's not. I understand you can't accept that, because it would render invalid and meaningless everything you've said thus far, but it's the case. |
The government's definition, being so broad and flimsy, to them Cordova is Hispanic. And since I'm against AA how can I not applaud Cordova's action?
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| With someone discussing in good faith and with a genuine interest in the topic at hand, I'd happily discuss it. With you, not so much; I'm content to limit myself to what my case requires here. |
It's OK if you have no accurate definition of Hispanic. Uncle Sam doesn't seem to have one either. You claim to have a better one. Why not say what it is? Or is it "bad faith" to ask? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Leslie Cheswyck wrote: |
| Fox wrote: |
| And I've all ready said why, repeatedly: because Cordova himself made it clear he's not. I understand you can't accept that, because it would render invalid and meaningless everything you've said thus far, but it's the case. |
The government's definition, being so broad and flimsy, to them Cordova is Hispanic. And since I'm against AA how can I not applaud Cordova's action? |
You can avoid applauding Cordova's action quite easily using this simple formula:
1) I, Mr. Cheswyck, am against Affirmative Action.
2) Cordova's actions involve benefitting from Affirmative Action.
2) I, Mr. Cheswyck, am against Cordova's actions.
Remember, at this point in the discussion you're arguing Cordova is nothing more than someone legitimately benefitting from Affirmative Action. If you're really against Affirmative Action, why on Earth would you applaud his actions?
| Fox wrote: |
| Why not say what it is? |
Because, again, my case doesn't require it. Further, you yourself have labelled it as irrelevent.
Ask again, get the same answer again. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:38 am Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
You can avoid applauding Cordova's action quite easily using this simple formula:
1) I, Mr. Cheswyck, am against Affirmative Action.
2) Cordova's actions involve benefitting from Affirmative Action.
2) I, Mr. Cheswyck, am against Cordova's actions.
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I rephrase: "How can I resist applauding..."
He not only neutralized the weapon that was sent out to defeat him, he turned in his favor. You gotta love that!
Yes, I agree it would be better AA not exist. But it does, and the man dealt.
You're all debating team on this. And on logic there, Mr. Spock, you're gonna win. I bow to your superior logic. I do. But the real world needs a Captain Kirk. And Mr. Cordova is that Captain Kirk.
I feel we've run our course here. Or at least I have.
We kept our punches above the waist.
I've enjoyed it, my worthy opponent.
Perhaps we'll continue, perhaps not.
Until then amigo, adios. |
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ManintheMiddle
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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