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aboxofchocolates
Joined: 21 Mar 2008
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 Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:59 am Post subject: I have an article due and I'm plagiarizing YOU |
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Well, if I were really planning to do that I probably wouldn’t tell you, so don’t get your jockies in a knot just yet. I have an interesting situation.
It seems I have somehow volunteered my services as a writer for some magazine. From what I can tell of the list of potential article topics, it seems to be on the middle of the left politically (that's where I'd place it, but Americans might be more inclined to place it to the far left). It also seems I am late for submitting an article. Maybe some would consider this a “problem”, but I am comfortable with blowing the whole thing off.
But then, it occurred to me: I waste a good deal of my time writing on Dave’s ESL Caf� off topic board. Why not just copy and paste some conversations from there and cobble it together in some form of an article. But I think I picked up a case of ethics backpacking in Mexico or something, because the obvious problem with that is I doubt many of you would be eager to see your stuff in a lefty magazine, especially with me at the authorship wheel.
Point being- does anyone mind if I quote you from here? |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:27 am Post subject: |
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| I don't, but then my views are pretty far left (by 'Merican standards anyway) in places to begin with |
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WendyRose
Joined: 10 Dec 2008
Location: hanam-si, seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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Why don't you post a series of questions, note that it's for a magazine article, and then have people respond to you on the board/private message/email/phone? The article will be better and you won't run into a sticky moral situation.
PS. What is the name of the magazine? |
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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: James Joyce's pants
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| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:33 pm Post subject: |
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| WendyRose wrote: |
Why don't you post a series of questions, note that it's for a magazine article, and then have people respond to you on the board/private message/email/phone? The article will be better and you won't run into a sticky moral situation.
PS. What is the name of the magazine? |
Good idea, Wendy. BOC, why don't you start a thread for it? I'm pretty much centrist, but I can dig up some good liberal comments if they collaborate to my lefty-leanings! |
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DorkothyParker
Joined: 11 Apr 2009
Location: Jeju
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| Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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Is this like a zine?
It sounds like fun. If there is a specific topic you want to approach, you should just make a thread about it, note that you may want to quote people. and ask that in their responses that they specify whether or not this is okay and under what name they wish to be referred to as.
Wham, bam thank you ma'am!
PS. I was born without shame and want to be quoted/reference everywhere.
PPS. Is this specifically regarding Westerners in Korea or-? |
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aboxofchocolates
Joined: 21 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 11:02 am Post subject: |
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Aw man, you guys are awsome! Ok, I was going to use these loaded questions as my starting point, but there are some obvious problems with them:
"Why is it freedom of expression is treated as a privilege when anything outside the mainstream media is used, but treated as a justification for undermining the work of activists for years in the hands of Hollywood?
Has freedom of expression been allowed to exist solely as a justification for media giants to undermine the work of those who strive for gender, race, and class equality?"
Not ground breaking stuff, I know, but what's wrong with hashing out the classics? I like analyzing (aka getting riled up by) ideology in the popular media, so timely examples of well worn concepts suit my purposes just fine. Here, I think I may have articulated a real question:
Can you explain how popular media supports your ideological point of view, using your favorite current example? It's pretty vague, I know, but it leaves room for rants. I know I come from this as a lefty, but rants can come from all different directions.
I know I'm not being very clear here. Sorry about that. Generally speaking, put down what you want and I will try my damndest to maintain the integrity of your meaning.
Oh, the magazine is called "Aless". |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 1:39 pm Post subject: |
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| aboxofchocolates wrote: |
Aw man, you guys are awsome! Ok, I was going to use these loaded questions as my starting point, but there are some obvious problems with them:
"Why is it freedom of expression is treated as a privilege when anything outside the mainstream media is used, but treated as a justification for undermining the work of activists for years in the hands of Hollywood?
Has freedom of expression been allowed to exist solely as a justification for media giants to undermine the work of those who strive for gender, race, and class equality?"
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Hmm I'm Canadian- we don't have a mainstream media voice really- unless you count the Globe and Mail or CBC, both of which are pretty far left by American standards, as is the nation in general.
To get a sense of what I mean, check out this article on Dr. Henry Morgentaler: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/07/02/f-morgentaler.html. He was a huge figure in the media when I was growing up. I knew the name and long before I ever knew what an abortion was.
Compare that with American coverage of Dr. George Tiller's murder. ( hell, here's the Canadian coverage of that story too http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/05/31/tiller-abortion.html)
getting back to your question, as I understood it- I'm not sure it applies in my country. I don't agree with the media on everything, but that happens far less often than it does with say American media. |
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DorkothyParker
Joined: 11 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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I'm going to apologize in advance for not quoting sources because it's Sunday and I am lazy.
I don't really buy into the concept that the mainstream media is liberal, though that is often said. Although I admit certain stations will slant news left or right, I don't see this as being politically motivated more so than financially motivated. Television, magazines, websites, whatever are all motivated to provide information/viewpoint that will bring in the most viewers/readers. It doesn't have to be hardhitting, in fact, it should appeal to the Lowest Common Denominator. Why? Because the LCD buys yogurt and toilet paper. I would say mainstream media supports precisely the opposite of my ideological view. (I consider my views radical left and am a proud member of the World Socialist Movement).
It's not difficult for mainstream media (news or entertainment) to not stray outside the box. It is cozy in there. It makes money. Independent media doesn't stand a chance against the money-driven monoliths not because of laws and limitations on freedom, but rather as a result of socially embedded practices as to how we define authority in general. A media model which encourages interactivity (Wikipedia, for example) and massive community input is seen as lacking in authority and is therefore not respected.
(I realize Wikipedia has its flaws and can be abused, but it has continued to improve over time and I think it will get better so long as we appreciate and respect the concept of communally produced knowledge).
Okay, so I said independent media doesn't stand a chance. I lied. It may not prosper now, but as communication technologies continue to grow and shift, I do think we may, as a culture, come to accept the benefits of a community produced and ever shifting text of information and knowledge. I just hope it doesn't devolve into America's Funniest YouTube Videos.
This is my rant. Sorry for the poor grammar, misspellings, tangents, etc placed within. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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Transformers really got to you, didn't it?
I do see where you're coming from. Last night I watched "Blindness", in which, due to some unexplained contagion nearly everyone in the world goes blind in a very short time span and basically society falls apart. Real life blind people certainly don't cheat on their spouses, sh*t on the floor and force women to have sex with them for food as a result of their disability, but this movie would have us believe that that's what we'd be doing if we went blind.
Edit: I did a few googles. The blind community has had some not so choice things to say about this movie. |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
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| The sheer fact that movies like Transformers and G.I.Joe are getting made right now kinda spooks me. Two of the biggest non animated movies of the summer are based on toys for boys from 20 years ago. I can't imagine myself going to see a movie about cabbage patch kids or barbies today. Are this generation's men being infantilized? |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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| peppermint wrote: |
| Are this generation's men being infantilized? |
2.5 words: mid-life crisis. Men are better off watching a transformers movie than riding off on a Harley to Mexico to snort coke, though I've done neither so it's not for me to judge.
Maybe one day men will just simply not regress into infants at 35-40 years of age, but for now Hollywood is here to exploit and profit off our insecurities.
Transformers weren't exclusively boy toys either. A girl in my grade four class was the envy of all: she had all the freakin Dinobots! |
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prideofidaho
Joined: 19 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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Transformers really got to you, didn't it?
I do see where you're coming from. Last night I watched "Blindness", in which, due to some unexplained contagion nearly everyone in the world goes blind in a very short time span and basically society falls apart. Real life blind people certainly don't cheat on their spouses, sh*t on the floor and force women to have sex with them for food as a result of their disability, but this movie would have us believe that that's what we'd be doing if we went blind.
Edit: I did a few googles. The blind community has had some not so choice things to say about this movie. |
Tangent, my bad, but the vibe I got from 'Blindness' was that it displayed the kind of chaos that results in anarchic situations where there the standard of justice has been thrown out in favour of containing disease.
In keeping with the thread's question, I don't mind being quoted...though I doubt I've said anything interesting enough to quote.
Good luck with the article.
Edited due to poor spelling. |
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Underwaterbob
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| prideofidaho wrote: |
| Tangent, my bad, but the vibe I got from 'Blindness' was that it displayed the kind of chaos that results in anarchic situations where there the standard of justice has been thrown out in favour of containing disease. |
This is probably the angle they were going for, but the problem is the "disease" is blindness. |
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aboxofchocolates
Joined: 21 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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| peppermint wrote: |
| Are this generation's men being infantilized? |
2.5 words: mid-life crisis. Men are better off watching a transformers movie than riding off on a Harley to Mexico to snort coke, though I've done neither so it's not for me to judge.
Maybe one day men will just simply not regress into infants at 35-40 years of age, but for now Hollywood is here to exploit and profit off our insecurities.
Transformers weren't exclusively boy toys either. A girl in my grade four class was the envy of all: she had all the freakin Dinobots! |
And what do you think that woman who was once a girl who bought all those dinobots thought when she paid ten dollars to see scantily clad super models tripping over themselves to try to bone normal looking heterosexual men.
Yes, it got to me. Hells knows I was on the path anyway, but I finally signed up on Bitch magazine specifically so I could challenge Michael Bay to a few rounds of fisticuffs. I'd mess him up (not the magazine where my article is due, btw).
Yeah, I LOVED transformers when I was a kid. That's what pissed me off the most. In the early eighties (the eighties for the love of god) there was a window for me to enter the ass kicking toy universe. Arcee was actually pretty cool if you recall the 1986 animated feature. Sure she was pink (car btw, not hot chick hologram motorcycle) but at least she was there, and not just to look pretty! And what was not in the background were dozens of half naked-please-masturbate-to-my-image pointless girls. And yet they still managed to sell robot dolls! Boggles the mind how they did it. There is more blatant exploitation of women on screen to sell crap now than in the eighties. That sucks. But I am also feeling pointedly excluded from something I used to love. There used to be a small niche for me in the transformers verse, or at least an attempt to include women. Now it is ‘hotobots, shut up or put out.’
Lady Jane, Scarlett, the Baroness and Jinx (for the next gen) were all fully clothed and pretty impressive, if third or fourth fiddlish. Teela was a bit of a sissy but she carried a sword, and there was he-man's counterpart She-Ra to contend with (who imprisoned Adam in the cross-over movie if you remember!). Thundercats had Cheetarah and Wiley Kit. That's all I can remember off hand, but early eighties boy’s cartoons usually had a pretty good representation of female characters for the odd tomboy who loved the show. Now, if a woman makes it on to a show marketed towards boys, she is there solely boys can imagine screwing them. Believe it or not, girls do occasionally watch sci-fi movies with cool robots and flashy special effects even if they aren't the target audience. What the hell are they going to think after watching that?
There once was a time when people sold stuff for men without trying to give them a hard-on in the process. I guess I feel bad for all those men who are being treated as walking boners by corporate Hollywood, but I would expect any rational, intelligent man to feel worse for women who are being demeaned and excluded by this marketing strategy.
Hey, stop making me hijack my thread, underwaterbob!! You sly fox, you! |
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aboxofchocolates
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