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ubermenzch
Joined: 09 Jun 2008
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| Pligganease wrote: |
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| PALIN PUSHES BACK and RESIGNS |
How do you equate folding under pressure to "pushing back?" Isn't the title of the thread an oxymoron? |
I'd very much like to read ManInTheMiddle's answer to this. Hilarious that some people (you can see it most pathetically in her resignation speech) are trying to frame this as "Sarah taking the brave but lonely road less travelled". She quit her job.
I liked Slate's Bruce Reed's opening to his most recent column:
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| "It may be tempting and more comfortable to just keep your head down [and] plod along," Sarah Palin said Friday, in an attempt to suggest that serving her full term as governor would add to the nation's apathy. "That's the worthless, easy path; that's a quitter's way out." Sarah Palin is no quitter. That's why she's quitting. |
Yes, the worthless easy path. Continuing to govern just as the economic downturn was beginning to really be felt in the state. Do you not see why it is that the media give Palin such a hard time while Joe Biden gets an apparent pass? SHE'S AN IDIOT! What else should we think of a political leader who goes in front of the nation on Independence Day and proclaims following through on responsibilities to be for quitters? |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| ubermenzch wrote: |
| Do you not see why it is that the media give Palin such a hard time while Joe Biden gets an apparent pass? SHE'S AN IDIOT! |
This really cannot be emphasized enough; Sarah Palin isn't the victim of some media conspiracy, she just keeps feeding the fire with her own actions. If you act like an idiot, and insist on making everyone watch you act like an idiot, it's hardly surprising that you'll be treated like one.
Biden makes verbal gaffes; Sarah Palin says blisteringly idiotic things that don't make sense. The two aren't even remotely comparable, and it's hardly surprising that the media is more tolerant towards the former than the latter. Only so much coverage can be given to a mere verbal mistake; a lot of coverage can be given to a politician expecting to be taken seriously while saying the kinds of inane things Sarah Palin says. It's the same reason Michelle Bachmann has been in the media so much lately: she's ridiculous. |
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catman
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Obama should name her as the new ambassador to Africa. |
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RJjr
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| catman wrote: |
| Obama should name her as the new ambassador to Africa. |
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lithium
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| with her husband president and he wallops the sucker. |
You really think Todd has the stuff to be president? I'm not too surprised you don't care about his 7-year membership in AIP, but a lot of people do.
On the other hand, I suppose that could have been a gaffe on your part due to your poutrage. 
To be completely honest, I don't believe you chose the right expression in your thread title: push back. I'm about half convinced Palin got pushed out of the governor's chair. See my post on the other Palin thread.
I really was impressed she quoted her mom's refrigerator magnet. I would have expected a bumper sticker, but that's what you get when you put lipstick on a Whig. |
You fear THE Palin. |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:26 pm Post subject: |
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| You fear THE Palin. |
I think a lot of people fear the idea of "THE Palin" in federal office, yeah. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:52 pm Post subject: Re: PALIN PUSHES BACK and RESIGNS: Whereto Now? |
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One thing for sure: she has more common sense than most of those inside the Beltway. |
Wha . . . ?
This move makes no sense, if she has any political ambitions. Especially if she has national ambitions: what electorate is going to want a governor who abandoned her post?
She caved. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 2:05 am Post subject: Re: PALIN PUSHES BACK and RESIGNS: Whereto Now? |
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| Kuros wrote: |
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One thing for sure: she has more common sense than most of those inside the Beltway. |
Wha . . . ?
This move makes no sense, if she has any political ambitions. Especially if she has national ambitions: what electorate is going to want a governor who abandoned her post?
She caved. |
I get what you are saying, Kuros. But you know, it's interesting. Had McCain-Palin won in 2008, she would have been abandoning her post as governor of Alaska, no less so than she is doing now. And yet, that was never really much of an issue during the campaign, just as Obama's abandoning his senatorial duties was not an issue. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:21 am Post subject: Re: PALIN PUSHES BACK and RESIGNS: Whereto Now? |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| ManintheMiddle wrote: |
One thing for sure: she has more common sense than most of those inside the Beltway. |
Wha . . . ?
This move makes no sense, if she has any political ambitions. Especially if she has national ambitions: what electorate is going to want a governor who abandoned her post?
She caved. |
I get what you are saying, Kuros. But you know, it's interesting. Had McCain-Palin won in 2008, she would have been abandoning her post as governor of Alaska, no less so than she is doing now. And yet, that was never really much of an issue during the campaign, just as Obama's abandoning his senatorial duties was not an issue. |
Getting promoted is not abandoning one's post!! |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:08 am Post subject: |
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| Getting promoted is not abandoning one's post!! |
Well, in terms of being able to carry out the specific duties that she as governor had toward the people of Alaska, then yes, I would have to say that she would have been "abandoning her post"(if we are going to use that terminology) had she gone to Washington.
Now, if by "abandoning her post", you just mean quitting politics in general, then I guess no, becoming veep would not fit that description. But in the scenario you were debating the validity of, she was NOT quitting politics in general.
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This move makes no sense, if she has any political ambitions. Especially if she has national ambitions: what electorate is going to want a governor who abandoned her post?
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But I agree that the public will probably regard it as more of a black-eye to resign the way she is resiging now, as opposed to resigning because she becomes veep. I am just not sure that that is really a rational distinction. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:09 am Post subject: |
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Kuros beat me to it. Promotion does not equal quitting.
The part that is most puzzling to me is that her friends say she wants out of politics (which could be understandable) but she says she wants to continue to affect government. It just doesn't add up.
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| Continuing to govern just as the economic downturn was beginning to really be felt in the state. |
I wonder just how much this has to do with it. The governors are all going to be in for a horrendous couple of years and few will come out of it unscarred.
A part of me is still holding out for the existence somewhere of cell phone pix of Todd and Levi hiking the Appalachian trail together. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:54 am Post subject: |
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| The part that is most puzzling to me is that her friends say she wants out of politics (which could be understandable) but she says she wants to continue to affect government. |
I suppose it's possible that she's deliberately giving out mixed signals, as a trial balloon to see how people react to the idea of her continuing in politics. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| I hear tumbleweeds instead of bacasper/stevemcgarrette answering my question... |
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Tiger Beer
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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| The part that is most puzzling to me is that her friends say she wants out of politics (which could be understandable) but she says she wants to continue to affect government. |
I suppose it's possible that she's deliberately giving out mixed signals, as a trial balloon to see how people react to the idea of her continuing in politics. |
Probably so.
PERSONALLY, I agree with the common sentiment that anyone who abandons their political office for no real apparent reason, doesn't deserve to be elected into another one.
But you're dealing with Republicans here...so what is completely unacceptable anywhere else, no matter how hypocritical or strange or just not right it seems, is often completely acceptable and fine to them. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:16 am Post subject: |
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| But you're dealing with Republicans here...so what is completely unacceptable anywhere else, no matter how hypocritical or strange or just not right it seems, is often completely acceptable and fine to them. |
Tiger, you really ought to be careful when you say things like this.
And as some people mentioned when comparing Biden to Palin that at least Biden has a clue what he is talking about...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toorZ2X8PyE
I beg to differ. |
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