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[AgDragon01]

"The conception of God as being the infinitely conscious, unlimitedly intelligent personal source of all material and spiritual energies implies that all evolutionary processes are under His control and are specifically arranged for various purposes. "

Right, and I'm saying that that's an assumption. You could easily say that the supreme God is an impersonal monistic force under which material forces play out - like, idunno, Nirguna Brahman, in Hinduism, or the Force, or a personal deity that left, a la Deism, where the supreme architect left the machine to play out on its own. God doesn't always have to be an entity that's personal, in charge and directly responsible for design processes.

If God created the laws of the Universe, and then left, and this bowl of soup formed life on it's own it's still abiogenesis. Starting with the assumption of God does not logically rule out organic life arising from inorganic matter.

In addition, I think that the Urey-Gellar experiment, and others like it, although not a being complete knock-down dragout arguments, are a growing body of evidence that leads to a highly probably likely hood that life did arise from matter. I mean, damn, 22 amino acids formed on their own!

[catman]

I believe there is an evolution thread already dedicated to this topic.

[Rteacher]

Once again, it seems like all theistic faith is attacked by those who claim it has no rational basis - based on the actions of some sectarian fanatics.

I'm making the point that the idea of a personal creator God whose infinite consciousness is the fundamental basis of all life is consistent with cutting edge discoveries in science - depending on one's perspective.

In the personalist Vedic paradigm, consciousness is the key to creation, and in purified consciousness (attained devotionally through some genuine religious, yogic, or scientific process) one can directly perceive his - or her - relationship with the Absolute Truth (which is realized in three phases - impersonal Brahman, localized Paramatma, and Bhagavan, the Supreme Personality of Godhead)

The local powers that be deleted my thread on "Alternative Challenges to Evolutionary Theories of Origins" only after it had reached 476 pages.

Here's an interesting new book by a (non-Vedic) scientist that proposes a similar paradigm to what I've suggested ...
http://www.amazon.com/Biocentrism-Consciousness-Understanding-Universe-ebook/dp/B0028N63XA
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/product-description/B0028N63XA/ref=dp_proddesc_0?ie=UTF8&n=133140011&s=digital-text

[Steelrails]

From the first paragraph of the article in question-

[chris_J2]

It's ironic that the OP has posted a link to a fanatical Hindu website, denouncing Christianity. Many folks appear to have missed these lines:

[djsmnc]

[Underwaterbob]

[catman]

Here is a Christian gathering in Busan praying for the "collapse of Buddhist temples".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGQzS7RA9zU&feature=related

[chris_J2]

[earthbound14]

[chris_J2]

Actually, all the mainstream religions teach good things: love, peace, & tolerance. The problem is, that people use religion as a bandwagon to push their own political & socialogical agendas, which often are completely devoid of love, peace & tolerance.

There are also Buddhist terrorists, btw, strangely enough. A Christian abortion clinic bomber, is no better than the Taliban or Osama.

[Steelrails]

I have to say earthbound, even though I kinda disagree, I totally feel where you are coming from.

There are times where Christians do things that really make me identify myself as a "Follower of Christ" and not a Christian. It really has caused me at times to question my relationship with the church. In the end though, I don't hold their faults against them too much. I've made too much of a moron out of myself too many times to let that happen.

My biggest beef is with the pure science crowd who seem just, so, narrow-minded. No human being at this stage of human development can really throw up science as having solved all of the universe's big questions from a human-relations and existence standpoint. Of course the fundamentalists are just as bad, if not worse. The fundies totally ignore the 'mystery' of God and presume to know what He thinks and desires. That makes my blood boil too.

Humans are still so small and so primitive.

Yes that is a statement to be used against Christians, but it is also to be used against atheists. At least followers of religions, in the end, admit that humanity is small compared to whatever it is they follow. Militant atheists tend not to recognize just how insignificant we are on the cosmic scale. The militant atheists seem also to expect people to be perfectly rational and mistake free, when humans are just not that. At least religions seem to innately recognize that fact.

I agree with djsmnc, even though I may not live up to it, just do your thing and if people like it they will follow. No need for crusades and inquisitions.

Kind of a downer.

[ED209]

[E_athlete]

[earthbound14]