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crazylemongirl

Joined: 23 Mar 2003 Location: almost there...
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 9:16 pm Post subject: why don't guys teach back 'home?' |
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I find it interesting that there are so many men who are happy teaching english here in korea and other parts of asia. Yet I my education classes back home they would easily be over 80% women (except for one paper, information technology and education, which was 50/50). In early education there are even less guys. Why is it?
I understand that fear of allegations of child abuse has put many guys off. But why are there so few male teachers back in the west?
So why is teaching western children condsidered womens' work, while teaching esol is more acceptable? And if you are teaching here, would you consider teaching back home? |
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Psy
Joined: 11 Sep 2003 Location: Hongdae
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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Besides the fact that it is much tougher to actually become a teacher back home, I believe the answer is very simple.
$$$
We all know that the average male salary is greater than the average female salary doing the exact same work in any industry. (except maybe education?) And I believe the rewards (monetary) are not worth the time and effort of going through the rigors of obtaining a degree (at least a master's) in Education along with qualifications and certifications in respective states/provinces.
Regarding ESOL, I don't regard it as either more acceptable or not. I believe it will continue to consist of a great number of males, regardless. IMO, males seem to have a more "independent" quality allowing them to travel far away and adjust a bit quicker/better than females. I don't mean to sound sexist, far from it. If I had a daughter, I wouldn't want her to go far away overseas, all alone, to teach English. A son, I would object, but if he really wanted to, I'd probably give in. So I can see why there are more numberous males here. Just my thoughts. |
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Manner of Speaking

Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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kangnamdragon

Joined: 17 Jan 2003 Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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more money, more Koreans |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2004 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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I'd never teach back in the States. Never. Disciple problems galore. Doesn't pay much either. I'd rather be doing just about anything else but that.
In Korea, its a totally different fish. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99

Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Location: ...Enlightenment...
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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 2:33 am Post subject: |
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Well I can teach in NZ high schools if I want, but I never would. Three reasons, the money's no good, the discipline is terrible, it's not an adventure. |
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ryleeys

Joined: 22 Dec 2003 Location: Columbia, MD
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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 2:37 am Post subject: |
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I would like to teach back home, but my degree is in International Relations and History, not Education... I am considering working towards a masters in Education though. |
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Horangi Munshin

Joined: 06 Apr 2003 Location: Busan
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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 2:40 am Post subject: |
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kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
Well I can teach in NZ high schools if I want, but I never would. Three reasons, the money's no good, the discipline is terrible, it's not an adventure. |
I can too. I actually sort of did, nothing permament, just relieving. I will probably do it when my wife and I head back, it'll still be difficult for me to get a permanent position in my subject area though
What are your teaching subjects Kiwiboy? CLG? |
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kiwiboy_nz_99

Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Location: ...Enlightenment...
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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 2:43 am Post subject: |
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English Music Drama ... and you? |
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Hank Scorpio

Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Ann Arbor, MI
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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 2:55 am Post subject: Re: why don't guys teach back 'home?' |
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crazylemongirl wrote: |
In early education there are even less guys. Why is it? |
Speaking for myself, I don't like dealing with young children. I'd much rather teach high school, preferably teaching sociology/history.
Sorry if this offends anyone, but I just consider kindergarten/elementary teachers to primarily be babysitters. My brother and his wife both teach elementary, and they're dumber than red bricks, and all of the classes they've taken on child psychology and development don't seem to have done any good whatsoever, as their own children are little hellions with serious learning disabilities/aggression problems. When I think of them, I don't exactly think of the kind of people that I'd want teaching my children.
I just don't think that elementary teachers know as much about the subjects they're supposed to be teaching as teachers who have to specialize in one particular area teaching to older kids do. |
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ryleeys

Joined: 22 Dec 2003 Location: Columbia, MD
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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 3:01 am Post subject: |
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I think most women have a stronger maternal instinct to be around young children, hence why most elementary teachers are women... men become high school teachers as a function of always being taught to be an expert in one field and then also having some desire to teach, which is different than the maternal desire.
I think men that teach in college are there because they either 1) are highly respected in their field and are the best to be teaching the subject. or 2) have a small p*n*s and attempt to make up for it by surrounding themselves with attractive college girls and by giving guys that do know what they're talking about bad grades. |
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Horangi Munshin

Joined: 06 Apr 2003 Location: Busan
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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 3:02 am Post subject: |
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Accounting, economics and junior math. I've forgotten most of the economics unfortunately! |
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Tiger Beer

Joined: 07 Feb 2003
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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 3:19 am Post subject: |
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Teaching abroad is because I really enjoy being abroad and getting to know the culture through the students and everything else. Love traveling and foreign cultures, not teaching English. Also love the expat experience. |
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Mr. Pink

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China
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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 4:10 am Post subject: |
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I plan to teach back home. I applied for the early education program at some universities. You know why they turned me down: MATH prereqs WTF is that all about. Like I need high level math to teach a grade 4 how to do simple math.
Also don't elementary teachers basically live off their teacher guides anyways (joke)
I am going to do an M.Ed. Not sure if I want to get into teaching back home, but one thing that has interested me is also doing an MBA and teaching high school business courses.
I know the students throw attitude around but a couple years experience back home can set you up for international schools all over the world. |
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The Man known as The Man

Joined: 29 Mar 2003 Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!
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Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 11:55 am Post subject: |
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kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
Well I can teach in NZ high schools if I want, but I never would. Three reasons, the money's no good, the discipline is terrible, it's not an adventure. |
Go to Canada.
And bring warm clothes-and yes, clothing on attractive women is a shame
Come on people Queen Victoria is dead already! |
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