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How do hogwans recruit more students?

 
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Sir John Hawkins



Joined: 07 Nov 2008
Location: Ulsan, SK

PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 1:42 am    Post subject: How do hogwans recruit more students? Reply with quote

I am at a hog that needs more students. My boss and I were talking earlier about what are good ways to recruit students and I couldnt think of anything other than what we have already tried (Free ice cream on the street and handing out brochures outside of schools. )What say you?
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know if you can do this in Korea, but in Japan we would go to train stations and hand out fliers. Maybe you can do this around stores instead of train stations.
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i



Joined: 10 Apr 2008
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried to help an owner with that very thing last year. He thought I'd help him save the place just by having a foreign teacher. Told him to put fliers in every mailbox in the apartments around the school and advertise in the nearby subway station. He also asked me to hand out candy and such on the street. After 5 months he had to let me and another teacher go. Couldn't afford us. Tried to run the place with 1 teacher and cram different levels together. Place finally shut down.
I think once parents start pulling kids out, word gets around and it is really hard to turn things around. He had 200 kids, down to 60 when I got there, and people kept quitting. We did get new students at discounted tuition, but the ship was already sinking.
This place was full of problem kids. I think if he'd weeded out the bad seeds earlier, it could have saved the place and been a better place to learn and have fun.
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wylies99



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some hagwons actually advertise. Others offer parents "price breaks" for bringing in more kids- the norm is bring in 3 more kids who pay full price, and your child gets a free month.

The best hagwons actually offer bribes, I mean "bonuses" to Korean public school teachers that teach part-time in the afternoon or evening, and bring in their public school students. Rolling Eyes

Others recruit kids from their churches.

BTW, some of the hagwons that are associated with churches actually pressure parents into sending their kids to the church hagwons by threatening eternal damnation. Funny, isn't it? Rolling Eyes

BTW, unless you are Korean, you will have no credibility with Korean parents. They read the newspapers and think you are scum. Let the owner and Korean teachers handle this one.
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wylies99



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTW, the activities mentioned in the above post happen in EVERY hagwon. Wink

Never seen it? DUHHHHH! PAY ATTENTION!
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ontheway



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wylies99 wrote:
The best hagwons actually offer bribes, I mean "bonuses" to Korean public school teachers that teach part-time in the afternoon or evening, and bring in their public school students.



It is illegal for Korean public school teachers to teach at a hogwan. It may have happened somewhere in Korea, but I've never seen nor heard of a public school teacher risking his or her job by doing this. Students and parents would know that their teacher was breaking the law. It would never work.

Paying bribes secretly for referring students to a particular hogwan, that could be common, however. Of course, being secret, "wy lies" is fabricating this as well.
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ontheway wrote:
wylies99 wrote:
The best hagwons actually offer bribes, I mean "bonuses" to Korean public school teachers that teach part-time in the afternoon or evening, and bring in their public school students.



It is illegal for Korean public school teachers to teach at a hogwan. It may have happened somewhere in Korea, but I've never seen nor heard of a public school teacher risking his or her job by doing this. Students and parents would know that their teacher was breaking the law. It would never work.

Paying bribes secretly for referring students to a particular hogwan, that could be common, however. Of course, being secret, "wy lies" is fabricating this as well.


This is why they do it the other way around. The hagwon hires the teacher, and then they make a deal with the public school. The hagwon tells the public school they will save money by not paying for the housing and full salary. Then, in return, the hagwon hopes to get students from that school in the afternoon.

For payment, the public school will pay the teacher their part, and then the hagwon will pay the difference to come to the total salary owed to the teacher.
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lifeinkorea wrote:
ontheway wrote:
wylies99 wrote:
The best hagwons actually offer bribes, I mean "bonuses" to Korean public school teachers that teach part-time in the afternoon or evening, and bring in their public school students.



It is illegal for Korean public school teachers to teach at a hogwan. It may have happened somewhere in Korea, but I've never seen nor heard of a public school teacher risking his or her job by doing this. Students and parents would know that their teacher was breaking the law. It would never work.

Paying bribes secretly for referring students to a particular hogwan, that could be common, however. Of course, being secret, "wy lies" is fabricating this as well.


This is why they do it the other way around. The hagwon hires the teacher, and then they make a deal with the public school. The hagwon tells the public school they will save money by not paying for the housing and full salary. Then, in return, the hagwon hopes to get students from that school in the afternoon.

For payment, the public school will pay the teacher their part, and then the hagwon will pay the difference to come to the total salary owed to the teacher.



You are talking about E2 teachers.

It is not legal the other way around for Korean public school teachers.
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lifeinkorea



Joined: 24 Jan 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ontheway wrote:
lifeinkorea wrote:
ontheway wrote:
wylies99 wrote:
The best hagwons actually offer bribes, I mean "bonuses" to Korean public school teachers that teach part-time in the afternoon or evening, and bring in their public school students.



It is illegal for Korean public school teachers to teach at a hogwan. It may have happened somewhere in Korea, but I've never seen nor heard of a public school teacher risking his or her job by doing this. Students and parents would know that their teacher was breaking the law. It would never work.

Paying bribes secretly for referring students to a particular hogwan, that could be common, however. Of course, being secret, "wy lies" is fabricating this as well.


This is why they do it the other way around. The hagwon hires the teacher, and then they make a deal with the public school. The hagwon tells the public school they will save money by not paying for the housing and full salary. Then, in return, the hagwon hopes to get students from that school in the afternoon.

For payment, the public school will pay the teacher their part, and then the hagwon will pay the difference to come to the total salary owed to the teacher.



You are talking about E2 teachers.

It is not legal the other way around for Korean public school teachers.


HENCE THE REASON WHY THEY DO IT THE OTHER WAY AROUND (hagwon teacher ----> public school)

Also, yes, E2 visa.
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ontheway



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wy lies99 wrote:
Some hagwons actually advertise. Others offer parents "price breaks" for bringing in more kids- the norm is bring in 3 more kids who pay full price, and your child gets a free month.

The best hagwons actually offer bribes, I mean "bonuses" to Korean public school teachers that teach part-time in the afternoon or evening, and bring in their public school students. Rolling Eyes

Others recruit kids from their churches.

BTW, some of the hagwons that are associated with churches actually pressure parents into sending their kids to the church hagwons by threatening eternal damnation. Funny, isn't it? Rolling Eyes




wy lies again, but more than 99 by now wrote:
BTW, the activities mentioned in the above post happen in EVERY hagwon.


No. Some of the activities above happen at a few hogwans.



BTW None of the above things happen at the hogwan where I work. The best schools never advertise. Ours never advertises and we have a waiting list. Parents know which schools really teach and that the public schools teach nothing.
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Juregen



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Advertising in the ESL industry is wasted money.

I have tried extensively without result. The only way I get more students walking in is because I am getting results faster then any other school in my neighborhood.

I grow slowly but steadily, every month a little bit. Parents trust me more and more, they even ask me to organize language holiday's etc ...

It takes a long time getting there.
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meangradin



Joined: 10 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jurgen is on the right track.

Advertising is pretty much a waste of time. IMO, it is far more productive to use the time spent handing out flyers, ice-cream, or whatever, and apply it to developing a cirriculum. This is (or should be) a results orientated business. If your school can produce distinct results, then it is just a matter of time until the students come. We started a few months ago with a few students, and have grown so fast that I now have to decide if I need to hire another FT and expand, or just keep it a small operation. But without a doubt, the key has been the program we run, and the word of mouth buzz generated as a result of the program.

The problem for the OP may be that his owner has shelled out a lot of money for his foreign teacher and expects the results now, without putting the due care and thought in to what he is teaching.
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