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samcheokguy
Joined: 02 Nov 2008
Location: Samcheok G-do
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Actually, if you have the time/academic background have you considered the catch 22 factor. Nerdy dude can't get laid, wants sexual outlet and a release from reality. So of course Michael Bay provides something which offends you. The problem is it isn't like there are 'femmbots' wandering around. A girl, an average girl, is going to be swamped with male attention by going to a comic book convention, playing Nintendo games, and so on. Transformers offends YOU because as a real woman, you have the power to decide who you sleep with. Men don't. The idea that the future will have 'robots' who are just like real women except more pretty, safer, and more attractive then you(the relative you, I have no idea how you might look) and said robots will 'bone' men of 'average' looks is a terrifying thought. A woman's power lies in her ability to say no. As has been mentioned
ARISTOPHANES and Lysistrata (Greek sux) |
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aboxofchocolates
Joined: 21 Mar 2008
Location: on your mind
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| Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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Actually, if you have the time/academic background have you considered the catch 22 factor. Nerdy dude can't get laid, wants sexual outlet and a release from reality. So of course Michael Bay provides something which offends you. The problem is it isn't like there are 'femmbots' wandering around. A girl, an average girl, is going to be swamped with male attention by going to a comic book convention, playing Nintendo games, and so on. Transformers offends YOU because as a real woman, you have the power to decide who you sleep with. Men don't. The idea that the future will have 'robots' who are just like real women except more pretty, safer, and more attractive then you(the relative you, I have no idea how you might look) and said robots will 'bone' men of 'average' looks is a terrifying thought. A woman's power lies in her ability to say no. As has been mentioned
ARISTOPHANES and Lysistrata (Greek sux) |
No, transformers offends me because it reduces women's involvement to questions about sex. Eliminate sex from your evidence, what do women have? Nothing. Sex is all sorts of fun but there are killer robots to be defeated and I think our gender has a little more to offer than entertainment on downtime from world saving. And screw all that crap about women using their beauty to manipulate power out of men- Lady Jane had spears!! Spears, I tells you, and she used them to fight Cobra!! Add up all the symbolism there, I dare you!!
(Yes, I graduated high schoolwhere I and many others read catch 22 and Lysistrata. And the above isn't a catch 22, it's a logical series of events leading to a crappy outcome. Also, women 'holding out' to achieve their ends diminishes the importance of female pleasure in the sexual equasion. Do you hate American women's freedom and want to control their sexuality by withholding real power from them? You sound like a terrorist. I'm not saying you are a terrorist, but I wouldn't be suprised if you were.) |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 1:22 am Post subject: |
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| Are this generation's men being infantilized? |
2.5 words: mid-life crisis. Men are better off watching a transformers movie than riding off on a Harley to Mexico to snort coke, though I've done neither so it's not for me to judge.
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From what I gather, the key market for the movie is guys under 30. Last time I checked, that wasn't middle aged. Its less about the gender of the toys to me, and movies aimed at adults are being made about toys. When did being an adult start being that bad? |
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shapeshifter
Joined: 29 Nov 2005
Location: Paris
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| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 2:46 am Post subject: |
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Why don't you post a series of questions, note that it's for a magazine article, and then have people respond to you on the board/private message/email/phone? The article will be better and you won't run into a sticky moral situation.
PS. What is the name of the magazine? |
Good idea, Wendy. BOC, why don't you start a thread for it? I'm pretty much centrist, but I can dig up some good liberal comments if they collaborate to my lefty-leanings! |
I don't mean to be unfriendly, but I feel a moral obligation to inform you that the phrase "can dig up some good liberal comments if they collaborate to my lefty-leanings!" is not only clumsy but utterly devoid of meaning. Is someone seriously going to give you a graduate degree? Aren't you the one who was making all that fuss about the pronunciation of the word 'forte' a couple of weeks ago.
What's that phrase about throwing stones while living in a dilapidated house made of strings, chewing gum and moth-eaten dish rags? |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:32 am Post subject: |
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| peppermint wrote: |
| From what I gather, the key market for the movie is guys under 30. Last time I checked, that wasn't middle aged. Its less about the gender of the toys to me, and movies aimed at adults are being made about toys. When did being an adult start being that bad? |
I don't think the message is so much "being an adult is bad" as it is "toys aren't only for kids", and no, I don't mean dildos.
Take a look at video games. The market has gone from adults in the 70s, to kids in the 80s, to kids and adults again in the 90s and finally practically all age groups in the 00s with everyone from infants to grandmas owning a Nintendo. People like to play.
We're not infantilizing, we're destroying ageism. |
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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: James Joyce's pants
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| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:37 am Post subject: |
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hahah...I see your point and agree. I had a little too much wine to drink Fri night and came home and started...oh, what to call it...drunk Daving? Thanks for pointing that out; that was utterly ridiculous! |
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shapeshifter
Joined: 29 Nov 2005
Location: Paris
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| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 5:53 am Post subject: |
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| MollyBloom wrote: |
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| clumsy but utterly devoid of meaning |
hahah...I see your point and agree. I had a little too much wine to drink Fri night and came home and started...oh, what to call it...drunk Daving? Thanks for pointing that out; that was utterly ridiculous! |
What a gracious and generally chilled-out reply. Forget I said anything. |
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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: James Joyce's pants
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| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 6:09 am Post subject: |
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| clumsy but utterly devoid of meaning |
hahah...I see your point and agree. I had a little too much wine to drink Fri night and came home and started...oh, what to call it...drunk Daving? Thanks for pointing that out; that was utterly ridiculous! |
What a gracious and generally chilled-out reply. Forget I said anything. |
 You should see the nonsense I posted on facebook! I apparently discovered the "special shot" category on my cell phone, so now I have pictures of myself with elf ears, a monkey, cartoon-like braces, a stinky face with a pile of ddong and a fly, a pig nose... |
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aboxofchocolates
Joined: 21 Mar 2008
Location: on your mind
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| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:18 am Post subject: |
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| Underwaterbob wrote: |
| peppermint wrote: |
| From what I gather, the key market for the movie is guys under 30. Last time I checked, that wasn't middle aged. Its less about the gender of the toys to me, and movies aimed at adults are being made about toys. When did being an adult start being that bad? |
I don't think the message is so much "being an adult is bad" as it is "toys aren't only for kids", and no, I don't mean dildos.
Take a look at video games. The market has gone from adults in the 70s, to kids in the 80s, to kids and adults again in the 90s and finally practically all age groups in the 00s with everyone from infants to grandmas owning a Nintendo. People like to play.
We're not infantilizing, we're destroying ageism. |
How about the belittling images men are bombarded with that are supposed to speak to their hearts' desires? Intelligent men must get sick of the advertising world repeatedly telling them 'you like boobs and want to see them everywhere at the expense of women you like and respect. Therefore we grudgingly provide'.
Sure, I'm sure you don't go to sleep sobbing every night because the advertising world is cheerfully defining and playing to your wants and desires. But at some point it must get tiresome to have large corporate entities to not only treat you like a knuckle dragging moron but to spend a lot of time convincing you that is what you always wanted.
I get pissed off at my exclusion from a feminist standpoint, but it seems a little insulting that the entertainment for the masses of men out there is puerile drivel. And a little classist. I guess a lot of guys must imagine they are indulging in the occasional guilty pleasure, and the movie is actually marketed at the great masses with IQ’s beneath theirs. In the same conversation these enlightened folks might admit IQ is a sham justifying social inequality. Ambivalence is just one convenient feature in the contemporary human model. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| aboxofchocolates wrote: |
| How about the belittling images men are bombarded with that are supposed to speak to their hearts' desires? Intelligent men must get sick of the advertising world repeatedly telling them 'you like boobs and want to see them everywhere at the expense of women you like and respect. Therefore we grudgingly provide'. |
This kind of advertising is loathsome, but approving or not, these ads appeal to some base desire in the majority of men, intelligent or otherwise.
Celebrities and supermodels come pre-objectified by the media, so there's no guilt involved in thinking of them as objects. We don't know, nor likely will ever know these people in person.
It's hard to be rational, and easy to be a pig, in the face of such sensory bombardment. |
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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: James Joyce's pants
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| Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Underwaterbob wrote: |
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| How about the belittling images men are bombarded with that are supposed to speak to their hearts' desires? Intelligent men must get sick of the advertising world repeatedly telling them 'you like boobs and want to see them everywhere at the expense of women you like and respect. Therefore we grudgingly provide'. |
This kind of advertising is loathsome, but approving or not, these ads appeal to some base desire in the majority of men, intelligent or otherwise.
Celebrities and supermodels come pre-objectified by the media, so there's no guilt involved in thinking of them as objects. We don't know, nor likely will ever know these people in person.
It's hard to be rational, and easy to be a pig, in the face of such sensory bombardment. |
Well, not to turn this into an masculinist thread, but I am curious to hear ideas on popular culture concerning men:
Do men feel emasculated these days? If so, why? Are women making them feel this way, or is it the fault of movies/tv/society in general? Do you think men are forced to bend towards a more feminine style? Are men losing losing their sense of "manhood?" |
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typo
Joined: 16 Jun 2009
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| I'd be careful. Most forums have user agreements where everything typed on the boards is property of the owner (in this case, Dave.) Even if you got permission from the person who actually typed up the response, you'd likely need permission from Dave as well (stupidly). |
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