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mises
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 Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 10:12 am Post subject: Chinese clash with rioting Uyghurs, at least 150 dead |
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SHANGHAI -- At least 150 people died and more than 800 were injured Sunday and early Monday in the worst ethnic violence to rock China in more than 40 years.
Urumqi, the capital of the restive Xinjiang region, home to many of China's eight million Muslim Uyghurs, was under curfew Monday and armed police, military and paramilitary troops have locked down the Uyghur quarter of the city around the Erdaoqiao Market, where the riots took place.
State-controlled Xinhua news agency has upgraded the death toll to 156.
Chinese state media released the staggering death toll midday on Monday following many hours of reporting that only three civilians and one policeman had been killed. The estimate of 150 deaths appeared to include only Han Chinese, the majority population in China. |
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=1763688
They shut down twitter, email, mobile service. States learn quick. |
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Summer Wine
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| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Yeah, I noticed that. Its kind of funny how the supporters of China seem to overgloss these issues in thier books. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Summer Wine wrote: |
| Yeah, I noticed that. Its kind of funny how the supporters of China seem to overgloss these issues in thier books. |
Of course they gloss over them. They want to continue to write on China. |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:27 am Post subject: Re: Chinese clash with rioting Uyghurs, at least 150 dead |
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| ... ethnic violence... The estimate of 150 deaths appeared to include only Han Chinese, the majority population in China. |
ethnic violence? is that what they're calling the military police killing of ethnic minorities these days when they dare to organize and protest
the stat of the death toll only includes the Han Chinese, meaning the thousands of ethnic minority deaths go unreported by Chineses state media - and yet the government has the gaul to still see itself and re-write its history in terms of a "multiethnic" state instead of a dominant ethnicity suppressing dissent and oppressing minorites for countless centuries |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 2:33 am Post subject: Re: Chinese clash with rioting Uyghurs, at least 150 dead |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
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| ... ethnic violence... The estimate of 150 deaths appeared to include only Han Chinese, the majority population in China. |
ethnic violence? is that what they're calling the military police killing of ethnic minorities these days when they dare to organize and protest
the stat of the death toll only includes the Han Chinese, meaning the thousands of ethnic minority deaths go unreported by Chineses state media - and yet the government has the gaul to still see itself and re-write its history in terms of a "multiethnic" state instead of a dominant ethnicity suppressing dissent and oppressing minorites for countless centuries |
Yeah, yeah, YEAH! Take that China!
China certainly oppresses the Uighers and to a lesser extent the Tibetans. Of course, the other 70-odd minorities get all kinds of preferences that closely resemble affirmative action in the US. But you know, Chinese history is built on oppression!
YEAH!
(In the future, stick to bashing the Communist government; saying the Han Chinese are historically oppressive is borderline racist and less than true when compared to other majority populations, such as English-speaking whites in North America). |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:01 am Post subject: |
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Uigurs vs Han Chinese
results
Uigurs 0 casulaties
Han Chinese 150 dead
In other words...don't mess with Uigurs.lol |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:17 am Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
Uigurs vs Han Chinese
results
Uigurs 0 casulaties
Han Chinese 150 dead
In other words...don't mess with Uigurs.lol |
Hard to believe 'dem official stats. |
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ManintheMiddle
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 7:54 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for informing me of these riots. I wasn't able to find any coverage tonight on the news because Michael Jackson is all that matters to the media right now. Even Phoenix News from Hong Kong and the Singapore channel are covering it ad nauseum.
But seriously, some reports claim that the 150 killed are mostly Uighurs while others in the state media of the PRC claim they are mostly Han, and still others say these figures are only the tip of the iceberg.
At least 800 people have been reported as injured, some seriously.
What's most disturbing are the roaming mobs of young Han men wielding sticks, steel bars, and the like looking for a fight. But without the massive presence of the Han police they wouldn't dare do this. The Uighurs are bigger and stronger--and angrier.
China's Uighur problem predates its Tibetan problem, actually. And contrary to what some say here, it has been widely acknowledged by sinologists. Problem is they don't have a Dalai Lama to give photo ops and make calls on Richard Gere and other Hollywood "activists." Most people can't even find Xinjiang on a map and even the BBC announcers butcher the pronunciation of the names.
Here's a revealing demographic, though: Most of Xinjiang is Uighur, except in the capital of Urumqi, where the rioting occurred, triggered by the beating death of two Uighurs at a factory in the suburbs by Han workers who had accused them of raping Han girls at a factory.
China conducted an imperialist westward expansion by forceably relocating Han Chinese to Xinjiang after the Revolution. Paradoxically, even they are angry at the Party, but for being ineffectual. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
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| Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 7:55 am Post subject: |
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I just saw new footage of Chinese beating Uighurs to death with iron rods. Then I saw the video of the peaceful protests, then the police charging them, and shooting at them, even shooting them in the backs as they were running away.
Not allowed to post them here, but they are on Topix.com for anyone interested. |
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ManintheMiddle
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| Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 8:02 am Post subject: |
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| Went there but didn't find the video you mention. |
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Rum Jungle
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: North Asia
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| Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 8:13 am Post subject: |
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CCTV here in China (which I'm sure the sceptics will write off from the start) is showing images of injured Uighurs in the riots.
No doubt a Han Chinese conspiracy on what appears to be an urban riot/looting situation like Watts/Detroit etc.
I'll give the sceptics this (who no doubt take a deep interest in the people of East Turkestan/Xinjiang).
150 Han Chinese dead total (Chinese propaganda which proves the point, they shoot themselves in the foot) v 0 Uighurs?
I don't believe it. It's a city riot (through grievances, justified or not). |
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ManintheMiddle
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| Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 8:17 am Post subject: |
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Ah, what are sceptics? Do they beat with scepters? 
If CCTV-9 even made mention of the riots, that's a major step forward for its unending propaganda machine. Then again, they don't want a repeat of the accusations and condemnation that followed in the wake of the Tibetan uprising before the Olympics.
When they release footage of police beating on Uighur women, arresting young boys, crowding hundreds if not thousands into jails in Urumqi, then I'll stand up and really take notice.
Meanwhile, the curfew is on, the Internet shut down in the region, and the police state crackdown with the local Party chief bleating now in full swing. |
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mises
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| Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| The more I learn about it, this isn't a "riot" as the NP called it or a "protest" as the WaPo calls it, but an organized racist attack on Han Chinese by Uighurs. This was followed on Tuesday by retaliations by Han on the muslims. |
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guerillera
Joined: 02 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 11:29 am Post subject: |
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| Han/Uighur relations are pretty bad it seems. Kinda off topic, did anyone hear that the US had a Uighur Chinese national at Gitmo? |
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Tjames426
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| Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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I read that the
Chinese president left the G-8 meeting to rush home and deal with this crisis. |
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