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Korean Government Programs: EPIK vs TaLK
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EPIK in Seoul or TaLK in Cheongju (Chungcheongbuk-do)
EPIK in Seoul
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TaLK in Cheongju (Chungcheongbuk-do)
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espoir



Joined: 09 Oct 2008
Location: Incheon, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Korean Government Programs: EPIK vs TaLK Reply with quote

RobLeeTeach wrote:
So I've been accepted to both programs. I need help in deciding.

EPIK in Seoul. TaLK in Cheongju. Both a year long contract.

EPIK pays 2.0 million KRW. TaLK pays 1.5 million KRW.

EPIK is a 40 hour work week. TaLK is a 15 hour work week.

EPIK is unknown grade level. TaLK is elementary school.

EPIK has unknown overtime rate. TaLK has 20,000 KRW/hour "instruction" over-time rate and 6,000 KRW/hour over-time rate.

EPIK has 1.3 million KRW entrance and 1.3 million KRW exit allowance. TaLK has round trip economy tickets.

Both have the same 300,000 KRW settlement allowance.

EPIK 21 paid vacation days. TaLK 14 paid vacation days.

Medical insurance is vague in both contracts.

EPIK has 15 sick days. TaLK has 7 sick days.

EPIK has a 9-Day orientation. TaLK has a 4-week orientation.

Both restrict me from taking part-time work, but is that only for E-2 visa holders? I have an F-4 visa.

Both have vague housing clauses. EPIK will offer 500,000 KRW/month if they cannot provide housing. TaLK will offer 400,000 KRW/month.

Seoul has more to offer as a city. Cheongju seems like it would be less stress because of the 15 hour work week.

At the TaLK interview, I was told that I would pretty much be the only one who spoke English in the town so it will probably get very lonely.

Which would you choose?


EPIK does not offer contracts in Seoul.
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RobLeeTeach



Joined: 20 May 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Otherside wrote:
I'm pretty confident that the 15 "hours" a week for Talk is for teaching time. You'd still have to be there the full 40hours.

EPIK/GEPIK/SMOE state that you only teach 22 hours a week, yet you have to be there 40 hours a week.


According to the contract, you're required to teach 15 hours, but nothing more is required. There is no 40 hour requirement (according to the contract). There is a clause if there's work required outside the 15 hours, you get paid 6000 won/hour of non-instructional work and 20000 won/hour if it's instructional work.

If I have to work 40 hours, I don't mind. I would get paid more which would equate to 600,000 won for 4 weeks making my total 2.1 million won/month which is more than the EPIK contract. And that's low-balling it. It would be much more if my 16-40 extra hours of work included instructional work.

TaLK is mainly for undergrad students. I think that's why it's not talked about much in these forums. College graduates are allowed to apply and they get slightly more money. Undergrads only teach 9 hours per week.

TaLK isn't really a job program...it's a scholarship program. It's "Teach and LEARN in Korea" although the learning part seems like it's up to the scholar himself. I think that's why there's so much free time.

TaLK is also meant to help rural schools. It's like the "Teach for America" or various "Teaching Fellows" programs in the U.S.

When I interviewed with an actual TaLK representative (not a recruiter), he was the one that told me about previous scholars going into school early, or preparing at home during their free time. He also told me how usually each scholar is the only English speaking person in the entire town and it gets very lonely and to prepare for that.

However, my contract is to teach in Cheongju which, from what I could gather, would be similar to Memphis, TN, if Seoul is similar to New York City.

So now that you know a little more, would you still choose EPIK, people?
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E_athlete



Joined: 09 Jun 2009
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it sounds harder to survive on 1.5 m won...but you're in for the life experience so...

epik is 22hrs teach time but from my experience i only talk for half the class so it feels like 11 hrs of actual teaching. The other 29 hrs a week i just sit in my desk with internet and have a pulse, which is nice.
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RobLeeTeach



Joined: 20 May 2009

PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Korean Government Programs: EPIK vs TaLK Reply with quote

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EPIK does not offer contracts in Seoul.


They do. It's EPIK SMOE (Seoul Metropolitan Office of Education).

I applied through the same office as regular EPIK (for all the other provinces) but provided extra paperwork (lesson plan, different recommendation letter forms, teaching philosophy essay, etc....).

I'm also required to have finished my 100 hour TEFL teaching certificate program. They won't let first year teachers into Seoul without at least the TEFL cert or a year or 2 of previous teaching experience or something like that.
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toadhjo



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't actually been to Korea yet, so keep that in mind while reading my opinion.

That said, I think if I was in your position, I would give TaLK some heavy consideration. I studied Asian Languages and Literatures in college, and TaLK would probably give me more time to explore Korean culture and improve my knowledge if I decide to further pursue educational opportunities in that field.

If money isn't a huge concern, TaLK may be the better option, depending on your goals. As a first year EPIK teacher in Daejeon, I'll only be making 1.9mil won. That's not a whole lot more than the 1.5mil that TaLK pays.
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RobLeeTeach



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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

toadhjo wrote:

If money isn't a huge concern, TaLK may be the better option, depending on your goals. As a first year EPIK teacher in Daejeon, I'll only be making 1.9mil won. That's not a whole lot more than the 1.5mil that TaLK pays.


Have you thought about taking an online TEFL cert course and getting more money? I think only an extra 100,000/month. The EPIK Coordinator told me they will modify your contract as long as you get the cert before you arrive. Are you part of the EPIK applicants Google Groups?
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OculisOrbis



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No brainer. 'No thank you' to TALK and accept EPIK.
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RobLeeTeach



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OculisOrbis wrote:
No brainer. 'No thank you' to TALK and accept EPIK.


If I was only concerned about culture and variety, Seoul, definitely.

Money is equal when you break it down per hour (TaLK pays more if I work as many hours as EPIK).

How is it a no-brainer? I really want to know your reasoning. I'm having a tough time deciding.
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toadhjo



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RobLeeTeach wrote:
Have you thought about taking an online TEFL cert course and getting more money? I think only an extra 100,000/month. The EPIK Coordinator told me they will modify your contract as long as you get the cert before you arrive. Are you part of the EPIK applicants Google Groups?


I haven't considered it very seriously...it's getting kind of late at this point anyway. However, if I feel that I'm going to stay more than a year, I'll probably look into taking one while I'm in Korea.

I can't find the Google group you speak of...any chance you could link me to it?

Edit: Or maybe it's only for people who applied directly or through a certain recruiter? In that case, nevermind.
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RobLeeTeach



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I applied directly through the EPIK website.

The EPIK coordinator then sent us this link for the Google Groups.
http://groups.google.com/group/epiksept09?hl=en
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OculisOrbis



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

EPIK schools vary with the number of classes you teach - 22 is the max before OT. It pretty common for teachers to get some afterschool classes to supplement their wage at the school even if you havent reached the 22 hour threshold.

I currently teach 13 hours per week at a high school and have a part time job elsewhere. My previous middle school had me at 15 hours per week plus 4 additional OT hours paid weekly.

Vacation time with EPIK runs from the exact number of days in your contract with desk warming while everyone else is on vacation to whenever you dont have a class you are allowed to leave. I was again lucky and had over 15 weeks vacation last and prob 10 to 12 this year.

Public school conditions vary drastically from one school to another. It all depends on your coteacher and your principal whether or not it will be a good experience.

You mentioned that your EPIK placement would be Cheongju which isnt entirely correct - more likely it will be with the Chungbuk Provincial Education office and it is a big area. You could be placed up to two hours from the actual city of Cheongju, but you are more likely to be closer to or in civilization with EPIK over TALK. If you actually are in Chengju, its a good place to live. Not action heavy as Seoul, but a really good foreign community with great foreign food and bar options.

Cheongju is central in Korea so working a public school job mean you can hop the bus to Seoul at 5pm and be there by 7pm - Busan about three hours, I think.

If you want someone to hold your hand and take you on 'culture' tours (that you could have done on your own), TALK is for you. Talk tends to be younger people who havent much experience traveling or being independent because they still havent finished university. Many of the TALK teachers I've met tend to herd together on their time off because they did a six(?) week unpaid orientation together where they learn about kimchi and how to use chopsticks.

If youre a little more independent and like meet people and discover things on your own, EPIK is better - and you only have a one week unpaid orientation.

I would try to get EPIK near or in Cheongju. I may be able to get you the contact for the Edu office here and I can definitely get you a direct line to the Chungnam Ed office for EPIK- it's the area surrounding Daejeon. . Cant think of anything else right now. Just PM me if have more questions.
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RobLeeTeach



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OculisOrbis wrote:

You mentioned that your EPIK placement would be Cheongju which isnt entirely correct - more likely it will be with the Chungbuk Provincial Education office and it is a big area. You could be placed up to two hours from the actual city of Cheongju, but you are more likely to be closer to or in civilization with EPIK over TALK. If you actually are in Chengju, its a good place to live. Not action heavy as Seoul, but a really good foreign community with great foreign food and bar options.


-Actually my EPIK contract is for Seoul (SMOE). No school placement yet.
-TaLK is in Cheongju (Yongdam Elementary School)

OculisOrbis wrote:

If you want someone to hold your hand and take you on 'culture' tours (that you could have done on your own), TALK is for you.


I'm confused. I was told by the TaLK rep (not a recruiter, LA-based Director of TaLK) that I would likely be the only TaLK person in the town and there was no mention of 'culture' tours or organized events for me.
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tomoyopop



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RobLeeTeach wrote:
I'm confused. I was told by the TaLK rep (not a recruiter, LA-based Director of TaLK) that I would likely be the only TaLK person in the town and there was no mention of 'culture' tours or organized events for me.


It could be a placement ratio thing; I'm going to a suburb-y area right outside of Daegu through TaLK, and turns out there's probably like 3-4 other TaLK scholars within a 15-20 minute radius of me, I think. My best friend is at an elementary school that's like 5 minutes away from mine or something.

Also, the schedule of the 4 week orientation is now up on the TaLK website (http://talk.go.kr/). Look at the "What's New" section towards the middle of the page. I might've missed it as I just skimmed it, but I didn't see any mention of any "culture tours", although it would make sense if they did.

Honestly, TaLK seems like it would be a better experience than everyone is making it out to be. Maybe it's because I'm an optimist, but it really doesn't seem that bad. Perhaps everyone is more pay-focused rather than experience-focused on this website?
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shifter2009



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a chance too with EPIK you'll teach about the same hours, I only teach 18. Though it can go the other way too and you can teach more but then you get OT so it's not so terrible.
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keobuk2



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 11:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm currently on TaLK (finishing up end of July) and switching to the local equivalent of EPIK (JLP).
Pros are: You really only have to teach 15hrs a week. The school may ask you to do more or not. In theory its after school classes but in reality you could easily end up co-teaching during school hours. That 15hrs doesn't include class prep time (which you're not paid for) and whether you prepare at home or not is again, up to the individual school. For my first few months I prepared at home, but I've been spending more time at school doing preparation and distracting the students..if you are in a rural area get a hobby. It helps pass the time.

As far as rural goes: You could end up being quite close to a city/town (or not) and I've heard that a lot more TaLK scholars have been hired this time round so theres a good chance of someone being in the vicinity.

In theory you also get some cultural experience money to take in a few festivals but the amount and what its spent on depends on the POE and school. I've heard of money getting stolen by co-teachers and some people have had nothing at all.

Cons: Homestay is lottery. Either it works or it doesn't. I personally had a great family but difficult circumstances. I've heard of other good and bad things. If you push gently they might put you in a oneroom studio.


I want to recommend TaLK. If you were headed to Damyang, I would. I've had some great experiences. Others..not so much. It can be a bit of a lottery and it is still fairly young. I'm from the first grouping though, so 3rd generation scholars might have it all worked out for them.

Oh, its easy to survive off 1.5 a month. You don't save much (though you can if you are in homestay) but its enough to have a bit of fun on and do some travel.
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