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| Your max in kg? |
| 50 kg or under, ya buddy |
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| 50-70 |
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| 170+ and I can beat your weak ass down. |
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poet13
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
Location: Just over there....throwing lemons.
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Staring at a polished stone wall if I remember correctly.
I will post me when I leave this wretched place in October. |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!
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hauwande
Joined: 17 Mar 2008
Location: gongju
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| Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:40 am Post subject: |
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| hauwande, respectfully I see your point and I see the error in my words. The point I guess I was trying to make is that there is a huge difference between benching 225lbs and benching 300lbs. I didn't say that a guy is on juice for doing 300. In fact I said that most natural bodybuilders will reach their plateau somewhere between 300 and 380lbs. It doesn't seem like a big jump, but it is. And if someone can do more than that without juice, I said that you might want to be suspicious. It's like Usain Bolt running a 9.8 100 meter dash; there are a lot of guys who regularly run 9.95s, but would give their first born son to run a sub 9.9. Just like you may do your four reps at 225lbs, but you might not be able to ever do three reps at 240lbs no matter how hard you train. I'm not saying that you personally couldn't do that, but the average natural guy who has been weightlifting for years and is in peak form, may not see his bench press increase more than twenty pounds in his lifetime. |
i agreed with you before. there was no error in your words. you were saying that you cant assume someone was on drugs, and i agreed. 
as for the difference between 225 and 300. its not big; its gigantic! it would take me over a year if i wanted to try it, completely changing the way i exercise as well. even then, maybe not - as i said, too small a build... |
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Epicurus
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:31 am Post subject: |
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I think what beast is trying to say is the following:
your progress will NOT be linear.
rather it will be asymptotic and the further along the asymptotic progress curve you are, the smaller your progress will be because as noted everyone eventually hits their genetic "wall'.
However, that's of little concern to anyone who hasn't been lifting for years and once you have, well you simply adjust your goals a little realizing the obvious.
You shouldn't even start thinking about hitting a potential wall, until you're doing 6 plus full reps with 3 plates on a bench (315lbs) and that's merely the point on the curve where your progress will definitely slow but not necessarily stop. |
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Karea
Joined: 07 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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| I can do 30kg. |
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icnelly
Joined: 25 Jan 2006
Location: Bucheon
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| Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Epicurus wrote: |
your progress will NOT be linear.
However, that's of little concern to anyone who hasn't been lifting for years and once you have, well you simply adjust your goals a little realizing the obvious. |
Progress is linear for newbies, the untrained, the hacks who have no clue what they're doing or why they're doing 60 sets, or even long time lifters who have taken extended breaks. Linear progress is the best initial way to gain quickly and it should be milked for all it's worth.
But, seriously, it's not the weights where most people mess up, it's usually the food and consistency. |
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Epicurus
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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| icnelly wrote: |
| Epicurus wrote: |
your progress will NOT be linear.
However, that's of little concern to anyone who hasn't been lifting for years and once you have, well you simply adjust your goals a little realizing the obvious. |
Progress is linear for newbies, the untrained, the hacks who have no clue what they're doing or why they're doing 60 sets, or even long time lifters who have taken extended breaks. Linear progress is the best initial way to gain quickly and it should be milked for all it's worth.
But, seriously, it's not the weights where most people mess up, it's usually the food and consistency. |
true, although the truly clueless will progress at a less angular "line". |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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But you do look thicker than when I saw you about 3 years ago. |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!
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| Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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But you do look thicker than when I saw you about 3 years ago. |
Yeah, but the weight it still the same. I can't seem to get below the 88 to 90kg range. It's a pain. |
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Zulethe
Joined: 04 Jul 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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You know how you hear that mental crap all the time? Well, when finally put to the test, it's not crap.
I was stuck at the 275 plateau for a long time until I met this guy that helped me train my mind on believing that the weight that I was lifting was nothing.
He had me doing an incredible amount of weight and he wouldn't let me see what I was lifting. Eventually I got used to the heavy weight and I became stronger without even knowing it.
Breaking through the mental barrier and getting used to heavy weights is key. |
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warmachinenkorea
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Bein' prepared mentally is a good thing to do when you lift. Heavy weights are a different kind of lift compared to the run of the mill everyday workout. I just look at it and count the reps I need and do it. I hate the bench but I have to do it there too. Deadlifts are usually 1 rep and rest, squats I really need to focus. Heavy is a different mind set than, "I'm gonna do 10 reps or I'm training to failure." |
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Epicurus
Joined: 18 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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| cubanlord wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
But you do look thicker than when I saw you about 3 years ago. |
Yeah, but the weight it still the same. I can't seem to get below the 88 to 90kg range. It's a pain. |
guys he's talking about going below this weight.. not pushing/lifting more weight.
However, cubanlord, I will have to call slight BS on this.
I'm actually in a similar boat. It's difficult for me to go below 90kilos. If I generally watch my diet, without having to go nutos about it, and don't even have to do aerobics, I will hover around that weight.
But when I spent several months in Cuba (yes el cubano, en la isla de Fidel)
I easily plummetted below 90 and then some.
I also went below 90 and stayed there when I spent a year in another Latin American country. I was between 86 and 88. It would have been very very difficult to go below 85 I think.
However it definitely took dietary discipline.
how much rice do you eat? slash it by half or 66% and get back to me in a month.
If not rice, whatever other carbs you're taking in.
You slash the carbs, you slash the weight, but I'll admit walking around always feeling kind of hungry is not a good place to be - yet unless your drastically ramp up your aerobic exercise, that's the choice one has.
I'd like to get down to around 85 (am around 91 now), but even that's going to take some major effort and being more strict dietwise together with some aerobics (which I despise doing)
I'm not willing to forsake food to such an extent or sweat to such an extent to get THAT ripped (unless someone wangles a sweet incentive for me to do so) |
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BarksA
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| ^ keto diet. Problem solved. |
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cubanlord
Joined: 08 Jul 2005
Location: In Japan!
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Epicurus wrote: |
| cubanlord wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
But you do look thicker than when I saw you about 3 years ago. |
Yeah, but the weight it still the same. I can't seem to get below the 88 to 90kg range. It's a pain. |
guys he's talking about going below this weight.. not pushing/lifting more weight.
However, cubanlord, I will have to call slight BS on this.
I'm actually in a similar boat. It's difficult for me to go below 90kilos. If I generally watch my diet, without having to go nutos about it, and don't even have to do aerobics, I will hover around that weight.
But when I spent several months in Cuba (yes el cubano, en la isla de Fidel)
I easily plummetted below 90 and then some.
I also went below 90 and stayed there when I spent a year in another Latin American country. I was between 86 and 88. It would have been very very difficult to go below 85 I think.
However it definitely took dietary discipline.
how much rice do you eat? slash it by half or 66% and get back to me in a month.
If not rice, whatever other carbs you're taking in.
You slash the carbs, you slash the weight, but I'll admit walking around always feeling kind of hungry is not a good place to be - yet unless your drastically ramp up your aerobic exercise, that's the choice one has.
I'd like to get down to around 85 (am around 91 now), but even that's going to take some major effort and being more strict dietwise together with some aerobics (which I despise doing)
I'm not willing to forsake food to such an extent or sweat to such an extent to get THAT ripped (unless someone wangles a sweet incentive for me to do so) |
Man, see, that's the problem. I do eat a lot of rice and meat. I know that is the key in me not losing weight. But, I am somewhat in the same boat as you. At this point, I feel I am decent, and, I am not trying to impress anyone except for my wife. There's no need, like you said, to get chizzled more than i am now. |
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warmachinenkorea
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Some people get caught up in what they eat rather than how many calories are taken in. True, if you work out and have a goal of building muscle calories counting is counter productive. If you wanna lose weight it's pretty simple, calorie intake versus output. If you burn more than you eat then then you will lose weight. All these diet fads about carbs and this and that get people all crazy in the head. Yea carbs have many calories with a small amount of nutritional upside. So if you cut back your cutting back on calories. I am terrible at this because I have always been a big guy and eating is a habit but for about 4 weeks early in 2009 I was lifting heavy and eating one big meal with veggies and meat afterwards probably 800 calorie meal but before that I was probably only eating 700-800 calories throught out the day. I saw weight drop about 2-3 kilos of actual weight and say a good tranformation in my physique. Burn more than you put in and the weight will come off. |
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