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why don't guys teach back 'home?'
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Cthulhu



Joined: 02 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right now I'm gearing up to teach in Canada once again. Looking forward to it.

Who am I kidding? I'm looking forward to having a house, drinking good beer and driving my car fast (not at the same time). It was easier teaching kids in Korea.
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Eazy_E



Joined: 30 Oct 2003
Location: British Columbia, Canada

PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This experience in Korea has made me think seriously about teaching when I get back to Canada. I think that having the kind of "school of hard knocks" experience that Korean childrens hogwans offer could be a real practical asset to teaching back home.

Some reasons why it prepares you:

-The students don't see why they should learn English, and don't want to be there. You have to work harder to interest them.

-Korean kids are reputed to be the worst-behaved kids in EFL countries. If that doesn't prepare you for the worst, I don't know what the hell does.

-The chaotic disorganization of hogwan education forces you to be extra organized to compensate.

-You learn this first: if you don't walk into the class knowing exactly what you're going to do, the students smell blood and feed off of your ineptitude.
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tokki



Joined: 26 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont teach in Canada because I dont wanna be a teacher. Teaching here however gives me a lot of money I can save every month, more than I could back home, and a lot of free time. I am also living far from Canada, another great advantage. I certainly hope to be out of teaching within 5 years, and doing a masters at a Korean university, but in a field that has nothing to do with teaching.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eazy_E wrote:
-Korean kids are reputed to be the worst-behaved kids in EFL countries. If that doesn't prepare you for the worst, I don't know what the hell does.

-The chaotic disorganization of hogwan education forces you to be extra organized to compensate.

-You learn this first: if you don't walk into the class knowing exactly what you're going to do, the students smell blood and feed off of your ineptitude.


Korean kids are angels compared to Canadian kids. And they are MUCH easier to please. I should know, taught in both kinds of schools. And as for "smelling blood" Canadian kids have far sharper noses than Koreans. And at the end of the day, there is nothing you can do in Canada as far as disciplining the kids goes.
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The Man known as The Man



Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!

PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I encourage people who have no interest in teaching for its own sake just to teach for the money.
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buddy bradley



Joined: 24 Aug 2003
Location: The Beyond

PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Man known as The Man wrote:
I encourage people who have no interest in teaching for its own sake just to teach for the money.


I agree. Wish it was more money though for what one has to suffer through on a daily basis...
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Joseph Fitzgerald



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am a guy teaching back in the states now, in Mississippi, and it is sooo much more work. The discipline is terrible, and I don't know how long I want to do this. I have been back in the US since November, and even with an M.A. in Ed. the pay is not good. The only good part is getting off work at 3:30 P.M. Hopefully I can find another job using my masters degree and getting paid more. Does anyone know of something else than teaching public school I could use my degree for?
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Cthulhu



Joined: 02 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm in the same boat, Joseph, though I'm in Canada. I figured a bump into administration (board office) might be doable after enough classroom hours are done. It would help to have contacts within the local school board and it's necessary to stay in one place for a long time before you do it.
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tokki



Joined: 26 Jul 2003

PostPosted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Man known as The Man wrote:
I encourage people who have no interest in teaching for its own sake just to teach for the money.


Who cares what people are motivated by? Im a good teacher, 2 contracts and both of them my school wanted me to stay and were offering big raises. Didnt take them up on it cause I wanted to change locations both times,more than I wanted the money. Im an able teacher, I just dont reeally think its my calling. Besides, the money, though good, is not great. There are things one can do, even in Korea with the proper background and qualifications, that offer far bigger money. Also, on top of everything, EFL isnt a field that offers many avenues for advancement, and I REALLY REALLY REALLY dont want to be teaching English at a hogwon in 5 years, not to mention when Im over 40. Same for the Uni gig.
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Man known as The Man wrote:
I encourage people who have no interest in teaching for its own sake just to teach for the money.



So basically you are encouraging people to work for slave wages?
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The Man known as The Man



Joined: 29 Mar 2003
Location: 3 cheers for Ted Haggard oh yeah!

PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheUrbanMyth wrote:
The Man known as The Man wrote:
I encourage people who have no interest in teaching for its own sake just to teach for the money.



So basically you are encouraging people to work for slave wages?


I also encourage private lessons.
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J.B. Clamence



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know many guys who particularly like teaching. For a lot of us, it's just a way of living abroad and having money. I started out that way, but teaching has kind of grown on me little by little. I haven't decided whether or not I'd like to do it back home, but I can say that I definitely would if I could teach at a really high-class high school where most of the students are really serious and go on to top universities. That would be my dream teaching job. I don't want to get shot teaching in the ghetto.
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Industrial Strength



Joined: 02 Dec 2003

PostPosted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think SeoulTrader could give you an honest answer! Wink

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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2004 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Man known as The Man wrote:
TheUrbanMyth wrote:
The Man known as The Man wrote:
I encourage people who have no interest in teaching for its own sake just to teach for the money.



So basically you are encouraging people to work for slave wages?


I also encourage private lessons.



So you encourage people to break the law, WHILE working for slave wages. Ok then. Just so as we are all clear on that. Sounds like good advice doesn't it? Rolling Eyes
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drcrazy



Joined: 19 Feb 2003
Location: Pusan. Yes, that's right. Pusan NOT Busan. I ain't never been to no place called Busan

PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2004 3:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The answer is simple, at least for the USA. Tons of applications, few openings. And, when they say women are encouraged to apply, they REALLY mean prefered.
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