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swigs
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With Apple tech support in America you can bring in your computer to a real person. With PC tech support your most likely going to be talking to someone from India whom never had the benefit to learn English from a native speaker.
Also, what I've been saying about windows being lame for having multiple versions is echoed in this recent article by PC mag: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2349780,00.asp
It's reasons like this is why Ballmer should be fired, and Gates rehired. Because Microsoft, became Microlame after Ballmer became CEO. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:53 am Post subject: |
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| I don't know where this reverence for apple tech support comes from. In my experience any hardware problems and you've got a weeks long wait to get your machine back, and god forbid you break your proprietary power cable. |
Two experiences.
1: Bought the BookPro, and STUPIDLY picked it up by the open screen, thus bending it. It was 3 weeks old. I took it back, professing a defect and they replaced it on the spot.
On the spot replacements expire at 2 weeks, but they still gave me a new one.
2: Bought a 1TB Time Capsule.: I downloaded the new firmware and it went on the blink. It wouldn't reset. I took it in and 3 days later received it back in working order. |
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brainfreeze
Joined: 04 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| swigs wrote: |
With Apple tech support in America you can bring in your computer to a real person. With PC tech support your most likely going to be talking to someone from India whom never had the benefit to learn English from a native speaker.
Also, what I've been saying about windows being lame for having multiple versions is echoed in this recent article by PC mag: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2349780,00.asp
It's reasons like this is why Ballmer should be fired, and Gates rehired. Because Microsoft, became Microlame after Ballmer became CEO. |
Having the multiple versions is just an attempt at price gouching on Microsoft's part. I don't think there is any other plausible reason for "crippling" certain versions. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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Neither platform is perfect. PCs and the various Windows OS certainly do have their faults and some PC users have been honest enough to admit that here - unlike their Mac counterparts.
This one of the problems with this debate. Mac users will never admit to even the smallest faults with their Mac - which kind of renders this discussion a bit pointless. |
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swigs
Joined: 20 Apr 2008
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| Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:09 pm Post subject: |
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A high praise review of the new Macbook Pro from PC world:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/168002/soupedup_macbook_pro_gets_high_marks.html
They say you have to compare the macbook pro to a desk top because there is no PC equivalent
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As you read, keep in mind that the machine I'm describing doesn't fit in the mainstream 15-inch PC notebook class, a strictly two-year service group typified by painted-on key legends, breakable tray-loading DVD drives, and slow integrated graphics. The MacBook Pro is a five-year machine, by design and by track record. If you choose to replace a 15-inch MacBook Pro in two years, you'll be able to sell it for most of what you paid for it.
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| crescent wrote: |
| Two experiences... |
You lived near a mac repair place. Try having a problem when you don't. |
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shinjin
Joined: 25 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
| Mac users will never admit to even the smallest faults with their Mac - which kind of renders this discussion a bit pointless. |
That's not true. I've owned 3 mac laptops since 2003, and the last one, a 13" white "crackbook" was the worst laptop I've ever owned in terms of workmanship. Cracks around the palmrest, cracks around the bezel, two of the keys broke off. This was from regular use; never dropped or bumped the thing. Brought it to the apple center and the technician told me the palmrest cracks were very common -- a defect actually -- but because there were cracks in other parts of the laptop, they couldn't acknowledge the issue.
That said, OSX is truly an awesome operating system and I can't think of one negative thing to say about it. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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Neither platform is perfect. PCs and the various Windows OS certainly do have their faults and some PC users have been honest enough to admit that here - unlike their Mac counterparts.
This one of the problems with this debate. Mac users will never admit to even the smallest faults with their Mac - which kind of renders this discussion a bit pointless. |
Here we go again. The old 'Mac users are mindless drones' crap.
What 'faults' have Mac users not admitted to on this thread?
I'll help.
Macs are more expensive to buy.
Macs offer less hardware interchangeability.
It all comes down to which one has more faults. That's the sole reason why i switched. I could easily sell my Mac at a great price and switch back.
no thanks. |
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Suwon4AGT
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:47 am Post subject: |
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| crescent wrote: |
| cj1976 wrote: |
Neither platform is perfect. PCs and the various Windows OS certainly do have their faults and some PC users have been honest enough to admit that here - unlike their Mac counterparts.
This one of the problems with this debate. Mac users will never admit to even the smallest faults with their Mac - which kind of renders this discussion a bit pointless. |
Here we go again. The old 'Mac users are mindless drones' crap.
What 'faults' have Mac users not admitted to on this thread?
I'll help.
Macs are more expensive to buy.
Macs offer less hardware interchangeability.
It all comes down to which one has more faults. That's the sole reason why i switched. I could easily sell my Mac at a great price and switch back.
no thanks. |
A 20 year PC vet who just made the switch myself. Both camps make valid points. No regrets here. I enjoyed being a PC tweaker in the 90s, always swapping out cards, motherboards, building cases, tweaking the windows registry, getting down and dirty with MS-DOS, jumper settings, you name it.
But now, I just want to buy something that works, I don't have to think about it. Upgrade every 3/4 years, back up my drive a couple of times a month and call it good.
And those rare times I want to work in XP or whatever, I just reboot my Macbook, hold down the option key and select Windows partition I created, and boom, I'm there...Minesweeper waiting for me (call me boring).
But Web 2.0 has really changed how I work with computers and IMO, Mac OS X is the best OS for integrating Web 2.0 tools. Heck, iLife and the included Leopard tools take care of 95% of my needs. The other things are easy to get. I suppose if I were a gamer, PCs would probably continue to have appeal. |
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Suwon4AGT
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2009 2:47 am Post subject: |
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| crescent wrote: |
| cj1976 wrote: |
Neither platform is perfect. PCs and the various Windows OS certainly do have their faults and some PC users have been honest enough to admit that here - unlike their Mac counterparts.
This one of the problems with this debate. Mac users will never admit to even the smallest faults with their Mac - which kind of renders this discussion a bit pointless. |
Here we go again. The old 'Mac users are mindless drones' crap.
What 'faults' have Mac users not admitted to on this thread?
I'll help.
Macs are more expensive to buy.
Macs offer less hardware interchangeability.
It all comes down to which one has more faults. That's the sole reason why i switched. I could easily sell my Mac at a great price and switch back.
no thanks. |
A 20 year PC vet who just made the switch myself. Both camps make valid points. No regrets here. I enjoyed being a PC tweaker in the 90s, always swapping out cards, motherboards, building cases, tweaking the windows registry, getting down and dirty with MS-DOS, jumper settings, you name it.
But now, I just want to buy something that works, I don't have to think about it. Upgrade every 3/4 years, back up my drive a couple of times a month and call it good.
And those rare times I want to work in XP or whatever, I just reboot my Macbook, hold down the option key and select Windows partition I created, and boom, I'm there...Minesweeper waiting for me (call me boring).
But Web 2.0 has really changed how I work with computers and IMO, Mac OS X is the best OS for integrating Web 2.0 tools. Heck, iLife and the included Leopard tools take care of 95% of my needs. The other things are easy to get. I suppose if I were a gamer, PCs would probably continue to have appeal. |
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The King of Kwangju
Joined: 10 Feb 2003
Location: New York City
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| Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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Not sure the original poster is still reading this, but if he is:
I'm a Windows user of many years, I work in graphics/video/programming. I'm on the thing for hours and hours. I'm not a teacher, I do this for a living. I also use the computer for fun on my off hours.
First up, let me tell you that there's nothing you can create on one computer that you can't create on the other. The end result can be exactly the same.
If you're a music producer/DJ the first thing you need to look at is software. What do you use now, and what does the mac have that's comparable?
Look, you can run windows "seamlessly" but if you really want to do that, get a windows machine.
People ask me all the time what I think of Mac, and if they should switch, I'm never sure what to tell them. Switching over to a mac requires a whole new way of thinking and working to make it worthwhile. This might sound funny, but if you've ever had a student who was thinking in Korean, translating, and then speaking English as opposed to a student who was thinking in English, you'll see what I mean.
You don't get a mac to expect it to work like your Windows machine. That's not the point.
I was given a macbook at work, I had never used one before. It took a little getting used to. The quintessential Windows app is probably Word. 100 toolbars with everything you could ever want on the screen in front of you. the quintessential mac app is probably spotlight, a single search bar with no instructions. The only way to make it work is to give up your fidgety Windows ways and go with the flow.
The mac was designed to anticipate what you need before you need it. Windows was designed to offer you everything at once and let you pick out what you need. Ironically the whole mac persona is wrapped around the idea that mac users are free thinkers, when in fact mac works best when you let mac show you the way. |
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thekingofdisco
Joined: 29 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 6:32 am Post subject: |
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i have both a macbook pro and a pc.
if you need it for music. it's all down to the software. if you need to use logic then you have no choice - mac. if you're using ableton/cubase it won't make any difference.
if you are not using logic and thinking about moving over to it, think about how long it will take you to relearn even the simple stuff you know already with cubase/ableton etc., etc.
i like my mac, and i use logic as my main bit of kit. but i also like my windows pc too, and korean internet is awful with the mac. if u want lots of free au/vsts etc pirated from the web, stick with your pc. although you can get quite a few for the mac, the selection is nothing like for the pc. although i suggest actually paying for them as you may well get issues messing up your projects, and that goes for both platforms.
unless u need it for a particular piece of software i'd stay with what you have. spend the extra on the vsts/monitors/soundcard etc., etc. |
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crescent
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
Location: yes.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:10 am Post subject: |
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| thekingofdisco wrote: |
| if u want lots of free au/vsts etc pirated from the web, stick with your pc. although you can get quite a few for the mac, the selection is nothing like for the pc. |
I disagree.
Yes, there will be more 'choice' with a windows platform, but the majority if those choices are carbon copies of each other, which makes having that choice more of a non-issue. I don't see any shortage of torrents for mac apps, and if you do use d'loaded Apple apps, you get free updates as if you actually bought the app.
If you're talking real top QUALITY audio apps, the Mac platform wins. In terms of top quality, you can get the same software in both platforms, plus Logic. Also, the integration of those dual-platform apps will be more reliable with a Mac. It was truly the case in my experience. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| crescent wrote: |
| If you're talking real top QUALITY audio apps, the Mac platform wins. In terms of top quality, you can get the same software in both platforms, plus Logic. Also, the integration of those dual-platform apps will be more reliable with a Mac. It was truly the case in my experience. |
Protools is a pain to get set up on either system, not to mention the exorbitant cost if you really want a top "QUALITY" set up.
I think I've had maybe one crash that resulted in me losing anything in 8 years of using CoolEdit Pro on numerous PCs. I used Cubase for a few years and never had it crash. I've only used Protools a few times (on Mac) because it's something that really needs it's own dedicated machine and a studio surrounding it, which I can't afford, but had access to for a couple blissful years.
My experience is: unless you've got cash to spare, you can't beat a good beginner to mid-range set up on PC, though Mac is showing a bit of improvement with software like Logic, Garageband and the M-audio stuff.
Cost/quality on Mac > Cost/quality on PC |
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ernie
Joined: 05 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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the quality of your audio interfaces makes all the difference. your choice of mac vs pc makes NO difference, it's just a matter of preference. i disagree that a mac is better quality/cost than a pc (i assume you mean quality/cost instead of the other way around, because a high cost/quality ratio would be a bad thing!). i bought my pc for $300 and the soundcard was another $125. i can record up to 10 ins simultaneously with no slowdown or crashes.
i'd love to know what a similar mac setup would cost these days. a few years ago some friends of mine bought a similar (G4) setup for over $2000, and that didn't include the interface, which was at least another $500. ouch. |
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