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| Do you feel Directors view foreigners as necessary evil? |
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humanuspneumos
Joined: 08 Jun 2003
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 Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 4:15 pm Post subject: Do you feel you're a necessary evil? |
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| I'm seeing from time to time posters saying something like, "This industry has really changed since when I first began bla, bla, bla years ago." Along with 911, Iraq, and other political issues- do you now feel that you- the foreigner- are viewed by your program director as a necessary evil in their country. |
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Skarp
Joined: 22 Aug 2003
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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I think all employers view all employees as a necessary evil. A cost in the profit loss equation.
We are expensive by Korean standards. We demand high pay and we demand fair treatment - two things directors resent.
I'm not sure about the 911 slant - are we talking xenophobia?
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| They don't view us as a necessary evil- they see most of us as pawns in their moneymaking schemes. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| peppermint wrote: |
| They don't view us as a necessary evil- they see most of us as pawns in their moneymaking schemes. |
No more than any businessman back home. |
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ryleeys
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Def... def... definitely evil... |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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Directors make me feel like:
(i) the customers are always right (parents); and
(ii) humans are resources, like chairs and desks, to be bought and used at market rates; all the while
(iii) business costs are to be minimized.
Not good or evil, just capitalism. |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't think you should imply foreigners are evil to Koreans. |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
Directors make me feel like:
(i) the customers are always right (parents); and
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Well you got to take the good and the bad with that one, because if your Director didn't feel the customer was always right he would not have hired you [a foreigner] in the first place. you're expensive, thus a gamble and potentially a liability.
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| I don't think you should imply foreigners are evil to Koreans. |
Yes, evil is the wrong word, they don't think we're evil, but if the din't absolutely have to hire, expensive, potentially sketchy foreigners, they wouldn't. Would you? |
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humanuspneumos
Joined: 08 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 8:00 pm Post subject: Necessary evil |
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"Necessary evil" is actually idiomatic, a broad expression, or coining a phrase. So- I'll stay with the term simply because it's broad and I've heard teachers using it in this context as they expressed their feelings. A flu shot can be coined as a necessary evil- however- is it really innately evil?- literally?
As for implying anything- well, what exactly? |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 8:15 pm Post subject: Re: Necessary evil |
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| humanuspneumos wrote: |
| "Necessary evil" is actually idiomatic, a broad expression, or coining a phrase. |
Yes I know, but it doesn't have very positive implications. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap
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| Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2004 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Maybe we shouldnt lump all hagwon owners together. Some might well have a genuine interest in education & view us as valuable assets. They set the bar for shadier owners who would probably prefer prefer to do without us ('necessary evils') but parents are justifiably sold on the benefits. |
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waterbaby
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
Location: Baking Gord a Cheescake pie
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 2:03 am Post subject: |
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| Korea is the first time in my life I felt more like a commodity than a person. Well, that was my first year anyway. I've received much better treatment this past year & felt much more valued as a person. I don't feel like a necessary evil at all. |
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kangnamdragon
Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Kangnam, Seoul, Korea
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:14 am Post subject: |
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| Butterfly wrote: |
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| I don't think you should imply foreigners are evil to Koreans. |
Yes, evil is the wrong word, they don't think we're evil, but if the din't absolutely have to hire, expensive, potentially sketchy foreigners, they wouldn't. Would you? |
Why not? We are the most qualified to teach English. Sorry, but I would not hire most anyone here to teach me Korean. |
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OiGirl
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 4:04 am Post subject: Re: Necessary evil |
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| humanuspneumos wrote: |
"Necessary evil" is actually idiomatic, a broad expression, or coining a phrase. So- I'll stay with the term simply because it's broad and I've heard teachers using it in this context as they expressed their feelings. A flu shot can be coined as a necessary evil- however- is it really innately evil?- literally?
As for implying anything- well, what exactly? |
Some of the teachers here are literally evil. But I don't think it's necessary to hire an evil teacher. |
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IconsFanatic
Joined: 19 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 4:31 am Post subject: |
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The only "evil" in a Korean's mind is Japan, somehow.
Even little children preach hatred of Japan!
Simply brainwashed.... |
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