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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| All the Uighurs I have met wear big clothes and try to act like something they're not |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 2:19 am Post subject: |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
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| I don't think you could even find an example of Chinese genocide in the histories, except if you included what Mao did to his own people. |
The Chinese Nationalists (KMT), 1928-49, killed 10 million Chinese.
Pre-20th century Chinese history saw 33.5 million Chinese killed from 221BC onwards (defenseless civilians killed by their own rulers, whose job it was to protect them - not combatants killed in warfare).
(from Death by Government, RJ Rummel)
Do you have a romanticized view of China, perchance, Kuros? |
Eh. When I'm not rubbing off to Maggie Thatcher. 
If all you got is the KMG, then I'm pretty safe with saying that the Chinese are not historically as bloodthirsty as the Turks. |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:39 am Post subject: |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
Do you have a romanticized view of China, perchance, Kuros? |
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If all you got is the KMG, then I'm pretty safe with saying that the Chinese are not historically as bloodthirsty as the Turks. |
So "yes", then? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:02 am Post subject: |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
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Do you have a romanticized view of China, perchance, Kuros? |
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If all you got is the KMG, then I'm pretty safe with saying that the Chinese are not historically as bloodthirsty as the Turks. |
So "yes", then? |
Do you want to discuss my personality, or do you have an actual point to make?
You don't need me as a foil to make it. Or didn't they teach you how to make solid independent arguments wherever it was you got your degree? |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009
Location: UK
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:19 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
Do you have a romanticized view of China, perchance, Kuros? |
| Kuros wrote: |
If all you got is the KMG, then I'm pretty safe with saying that the Chinese are not historically as bloodthirsty as the Turks. |
So "yes", then? |
Do you want to discuss my personality, or do you have an actual point to make?
You don't need me as a foil to make it. Or didn't they teach you how to make solid independent arguments wherever it was you got your degree? |
You said "I don't think you could even find an example of Chinese genocide in the histories...." (other than Mao's mass-murdering communists)
It was a self-evidently ridiculous point.
You were wrong, wildly wrong. It happens. A true warrior accepts wrongness, betters himself and moves on. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:25 am Post subject: |
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| Sergio Stefanuto wrote: |
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Do you have a romanticized view of China, perchance, Kuros? |
| Kuros wrote: |
If all you got is the KMG, then I'm pretty safe with saying that the Chinese are not historically as bloodthirsty as the Turks. |
So "yes", then? |
Do you want to discuss my personality, or do you have an actual point to make?
You don't need me as a foil to make it. Or didn't they teach you how to make solid independent arguments wherever it was you got your degree? |
You said "I don't think you could even find an example of Chinese genocide in the histories...." (other than Mao's mass-murdering communists)
It was a self-evidently ridiculous point.
You were wrong, wildly wrong. It happens. A true warrior accepts wrongness, betters himself and moves on. |
I wasn't wildly wrong. When have the Chinese committed genocide upon another people? Like the Turks and Kurds and Armenians are all considered distinct.
Someone interested in a discussion on a chatboard doesn't insult and derogate once they've made their point. Furthermore, they don't confuse chatting online with being a warrior. As it appears to be with you, it always comes back to me. And I don't need to explain myself to anyone on this board. |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:07 am Post subject: |
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http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timcollard/100003679/china-and-islam-this-could-get-ugly/
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The internal ructions in Xinjiang, where Han Chinese and Muslim Uighurs have been at each others� throats, have attracted the attention of the brave boys of Al-Qaeda. For their crimes against Muslims, the cavemen say, China can expect direct retaliation.
A few years ago this wouldn�t have mattered, as China could be pretty confident of keeping its local Muslims under control. No Abu Hamzas there � they wouldn�t last five minutes. But now there are groups of Chinese officials, specialists and workers all over Africa on the aid trail, and Al-Qaeda�s presence in the north of the continent is palpable.
Al-Qaeda, of course, are a bunch of obnoxious blowhards. But there are plenty of dangerous people who might have been given ideas by this new call to arms. And Chinese in Africa are a high-visibility target. This could get ugly. And the people for whom it will get ugliest are the poor old Uighurs of Xinjiang, who will get the blame simply for being the nearest Muslims the PRC can get its hands on.
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It will get ugly. |
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travel zen
Joined: 22 Feb 2005
Location: Good old Toronto, Canada
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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| What happend to the Manchus ? Massacre or 'natural' assimilation ? |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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There was an interesting documentary on a tribal group in China that lived on Mountain tops and buried their dead on cliff sides and was attacked by the Han who wanted thier land or just didn't agree with them (kind of murky the reasoning)
A few people still exist who might have pure bloodlines but it wasn't considered a certainty. Genocide is a hard historical argument to prove if no one is left to disagree. Though the Han Chinese must have done something right to still be a majority over so many minorities.
I don't mean by living right and eating good food. |
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