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Underwaterbob

Joined: 08 Jan 2005 Location: In Cognito
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ManintheMiddle
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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The word legend is grossly overused in the instant hype Hollywood media of today but Cronkite was aptly called that. He defined television broadcast news before the concept of anchor was conceived. He shaped the American image of news delivery like no one else except Edward R. Murrow on the radio. Eric Sevareid, Howard K. Smith, and David Brinkley all followed in his wake and although exceptional broadcast journalists in their own right, never had the popular impact of Cronkite.
If you didn't grow up listening to his CBS Evening News it's hard to appreciate how much the tenor of his voice each night meant to most Americans. He personified journalistic integrity to such an extent that his declaration of the "stalemate" in Vietnam began to turn the tide against the war in middle America as no politician could. But he didn't have an agenda like so many in the media nowadays, and that is what gained him so much respect among his peers. Dan Rather, who succeeded him, tried hard to emulate him, to rise to his stature, but without great success. Cronkite even advised CBS to fire Rather after his smarmy interview with President Bush '41. But it speaks to his prowess that even after that Rather revered the man. He was really that good.
It's been a long goodbye. If you want to view Cronkite at his finest, get a hold on the black-and-white TV documentary series "Biography" from the '50s and '60s, most of which he narrates. It is simply superb reporting. I used to love to watch and listen to these in social studies class. Cronkite was so institutionalized that Archie Bunker used him as a foil on the very popular sitcom All in the Family in the 1970s.
Who approaches his stature today? Tony Snow had those makings, as did Brit Hume, but they never reached that level. Nor did Brokaw, although he came close at times. Jennings was probably the nearest in reputation before his untimely death or perhaps Charles Kuralt. But certainly not the current anchors on TV, that's for sure. None of them has cut their teeth on field reporting, which was by the way Rather's saving grace.
Sail out into the endless blue, Uncle Walter. |
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BritishinSuwon
Joined: 17 May 2008 Location: No longer in Suwon! Now kicking it in Shanghai
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Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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Last of the true great journalists. There will never be another Walter Cronkite. He was the very definition of "journalistic integrity". All of these entertainers today who read the news (Katie Couric, Bill O'Reilly, etc) should take a page from Walter Cronkite to see how to be a real journalist.
I honestly feel truly saddened to read of his death. I don't become emotional over "celebrity" deaths, but what Cronkite stood for and delivered was irreplaceable. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 24 Jan 2003 Location: Middle Land
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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:52 am Post subject: |
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I hope he enjoys his new permanent assignment in heaven.
RIP |
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ManintheMiddle
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 4:07 am Post subject: |
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Addendum to Original Post:
Walter Cronkite was not the first to anchor the evening news. That honor goes to Chet Huntley and David Brinkley for the Huntley-Brinkley Report. But Cronkite was the first solo anchor.
He down side was that he was one of the first to inject personal opinion in news commentary without identifying it as such, although he did it very sparingly. The one occasion on which he was egregious in this regard was in criticizing the fallout from the Tet Offensive, which American forces actually won handily. The war was not in fact at the point of stalemate but Cronkite was predicting that it later would become a quagmire.
By his own admission and programming notes, O'Reilly does not deliver hard news but news commentary. There's a distinct difference in the field of journalism, so it's apples and oranges to compare him with Cronkite. But O'Reilly dominates cable news and has almost as many viewers now as Katie Couric, who is on the public channel CBS, which is remarkable. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:43 am Post subject: |
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Cronkite was the news when I was a kid growing up. There were three networks but the only TV station that broadcast in my area carried CBS, so Kennedy's assassination, MLK's speeches and the fire hoses and dogs in Mississippi, Vietnam, LBJ's choice to not run for re-election, etc were all reported by Cronkite. It was true because he reported it. He tried very hard to report the facts. The few times he chose to broadcast his opinion were very explicitly stated.
O'Reilly's style is because of Cronkite. He imitates Cronkite's presentation in an effort to blur the lines between reporting and editorializing. That's the reason Faux News is a commonly accepted nickname for Fox.
There will not be another Cronkite because media has proliferated into hundreds of sources of news instead of the 3 that were available in Cronkite's heyday. Entertainment has corrupted the reporting of news. It is destructive for the Republic. True conservatives deplore this development, not celebrate it. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 10:21 am Post subject: |
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I'm old enough to have seen him a few times on the CBS News, and I saw one episode of that science show he did for awhile after retiring. His iconic status as a major force in shaping public-opinion is something I basically know about second-hand, however.
On the right-wing boards, they're practically saying that he single-handedly lost the Vietnam War for the US, by misrepresenting the outcome of the Tet offensive.
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ManintheMiddle
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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Ah, Ya-ta Boy discerned:
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The few times he chose to broadcast his opinion were very explicitly stated. |
That's true, and that set his entire generation of newscasters apart. It wasn't just him; their demeanor was unassuming and they weren't as filled with themselves as their successors because they cut their teeth on local news reporting and radio where audience appeal mattered less.
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O'Reilly's style is because of Cronkite. He imitates Cronkite's presentation in an effort to blur the lines between reporting and editorializing. |
As for your criticism of O'Reilly, you show your ignorance or perhaps just your willfulness. O'Reilly has never claimed to deliver hard news but news commentary. Even Al Franken can see that his format is also designed to entertain, which is why he includes light-hearted fair like the culture quiz segment, the pinhead segment, and the Miller segment.
But he doesn't try to spin though he admits openly to his biases, unlike many so-called hard news people. All the news channels have news commentary, so does that make them fake too? You single out FoxNews because ideologically they chafe you and like your hero, Obama, you can't stand a little well placed criticism.
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On the right-wing boards, they're practically saying that he single-handedly lost the Vietnam War for the US, by misrepresenting the outcome of the Tet offensive. |
Well, that's unwarranted hyperbole on their part as he wasn't malicious in the least nor unpatriotic. But he did jump the gun when he made that on-air remark and he knew his words carried weight with the public. Incidentally, one of his prominent assistants at CBSNews said yesterday that she admired Cronkite but strongly disagreed with his taking a stand on the issue on-air. She also said that there is no hard evidence that LBJ actually said, "Well, if we've lost Cronkite, we've lost Middle America." She indicated that it was a liberal media fabrication designed to appeal to the growing anti-war movement. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 2:44 am Post subject: |
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Well, that's unwarranted hyperbole on their part as he wasn't malicious in the least nor unpatriotic. But he did jump the gun when he made that on-air remark and he knew his words carried weight with the public. Incidentally, one of his prominent assistants at CBSNews said yesterday that she admired Cronkite but strongly disagreed with his taking a stand on the issue on-air. She also said that there is no hard evidence that LBJ actually said, "Well, if we've lost Cronkite, we've lost Middle America." She indicated that it was a liberal media fabrication designed to appeal to the growing anti-war movement. |
Well, as you might know, in the movie Full Metal Jacket, it is suggested that grunts on the ground in 'Nam were already quoting Cronkite as saying that the war was unwinnable, the day after he stated that opinion on the air. That seems a little like the screenwriters viewing the past through the prism of our current impressions of it.
By the way, does anyone know what Cronkite's exact words were about the Tet offensive? |
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Tjames426
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:22 am Post subject: |
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Yeah...
So, now we will have another week of 24 / 7 of tears, weeping, reporting and melodrama over another boomer generation 'god' dying.
Geesh.
Can't the 60's generation die already???  |
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Sergio Stefanuto
Joined: 14 May 2009 Location: UK
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 4:03 am Post subject: |
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Tjames426 wrote: |
Yeah...
So, now we will have another week of 24 / 7 of tears, weeping, reporting and melodrama over another boomer generation 'god' dying.
Geesh.
Can't the 60's generation die already???  |
Eloquent. Compassionate. Humble. Lofty. |
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Rteacher

Joined: 23 May 2005 Location: Western MA, USA
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 4:12 am Post subject: |
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He wasn't a god - just a very good public servant that people liked and trusted.
(He even donated $100 once to a Hare Krishna friend of mine during our holiday fund-raising drive in Miami. She was dressed as Santa's helper ...) |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:00 am Post subject: |
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But he doesn't try to spin though he admits openly to his biases, unlike many so-called hard news people. |
I'd love to hear you distinguish between spin and bias.
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Yeah...
So, now we will have another week of 24 / 7 of tears, weeping, reporting and melodrama over another boomer generation 'god' dying.
Geesh.
Can't the 60's generation die already??? |
Don't be blaming Michael Jackson on us boomers. The Me Generation deserves the credit for him. We have our own crosses to bear, thank you.
And lets not be too hasty with the death wishes, OK? |
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ManintheMiddle
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:40 am Post subject: |
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YTB:
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I'd love to hear you distinguish between spin and bias. |
I'm afraid my discursive analysis would be a tad too subtle for you.
OTOH:
Cronkite predicted that the war would end in a "stalemate." He was accused of being defeatist rather than a realist by many. That he announced it on-air during a news broadcast was out of character and also inappropriate but the mounting body counts obviously affected him greatly.
What I blame him for was his timing, coming in the wake of the successful American counterattack to the Tet Offensive. What's very interesting was his interview with Kennedy about the prospects in 'Nam just months before his assassination. In that interview in Hyannis Port, JFK ruminated on the war and admitted it couldn't be won without effective South Vietnamese involvement. Some still claim that his views led to his assassination, although that has never been conclusively proven. Still, it was a revealing comment at a time when the military role was confined to advisors and a few battalions. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:41 am Post subject: |
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Robert Parry, of www.consortiumnews.com. is one of the best reporters we have out there right now, often reporting on stories mainstream media just keeps ignoring.
Here he explains how Cronkite may inadvertently have been at least partly responsible for the rise of the right.
Cronkite's Unintended Legacy
By Robert Parry
July 19, 2009
With his measured calm and seriousness of purpose, Walter Cronkite set a high standard for television journalism that has rarely been met since his retirement in 1981. But the legendary CBS anchorman who died Friday also may have unintentionally contributed to the American Left�s dangerous complacency about media.
The feeling of many Americans (especially liberals) about the Cronkite era was that journalists could be trusted to give the news reasonably straight.
Though far from perfect, the Cronkite generation stood up to Sen. Joe McCarthy�s red-baiting, showed the nation the injustices of racial segregation, revealed the brutality of the Vietnam War (even while being largely sympathetic to its goals), exacted some measure of accountability for President Richard Nixon�s political crimes and took a generally serious approach to informing the citizenry.
Cronkite personified the notion that TV news was a public service, not just a revenue stream or an opportunity to place ads around feel-good features. Yet, in that way, Cronkite contributed to complacency among many mainstream and liberal Americans who believed that the U.S. news media, though flawed, would continue to serve as an early-warning system for the Republic � and that they could focus on other concerns.
The American Right, however, had a different perspective. Right-wingers saw the Cronkite-era news media as the enemy � undermining McCarthy�s anti-communist crusade, laying the groundwork for an integrated America, eroding public support for the Vietnam War, hounding Nixon from office, and concentrating public attention on various social problems.
Cronkite was singled out for contempt because of his perceived role in turning Americans against the Vietnam War, especially after the surprise communist Tet Offensive in 1968. After returning from a trip to Vietnam, Cronkite closed his Feb. 27, 1968, newscast with a personal analysis of the situation.
�To say that we are mired in stalemate seems the only realistic, yet unsatisfactory, conclusion,� Cronkite said. �It is increasingly clear to this reporter that the only rational way out then will be to negotiate, not as victors, but as an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy, and did the best they could.�
After the broadcast, President Lyndon Johnson is reported to have said, �If I�ve lost Cronkite, I�ve lost the country.� Johnson began serious negotiations aimed at ending the war before he left office, an endeavor that the Nixon campaign surreptitiously sabotaged.
In 1972, Cronkite also gave traction to the investigation of Nixon�s Watergate spying by devoting 14 minutes of one newscast to explain the complex political-corruption story.
Plotting on the Right
By the mid-1970s, with the Vietnam War lost and Nixon ousted, key strategists on the Right pondered how to make sure another Watergate scandal wouldn�t unseat a future Republican President and how to guarantee that another anti-war movement wouldn�t sink a future Vietnam War.
The Right settled on a two-pronged media strategy: build an ideologically committed right-wing media and organize anti-press attack groups that would put mainstream journalists on the defensive.
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