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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 8:07 pm    Post subject: UC system in trouble Reply with quote

I love CA, but I'm a little worried that my home state isn't going to be so hot in the future. I won't be surprised if the Univ. of CA falls beyond other public university systems down the road.

Regents approve fiscal plan, furloughs

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Specifically, most campuses are deferring at least 50 percent of planned faculty hires. UC Berkeley, for example, expects to reduce faculty recruitment from a typical 100 positions a year to 10.


I bet at least a few professors will leave whatever UC they're at and find greener pastures elsewhere.
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ManintheMiddle



Joined: 20 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good riddance, I say. Maybe they can eliminate some of those fluff courses, leftwing idealogues, and administrative perks. Maybe--but I doubt it.

California is what it is because of the vast liberal mindset of entitlement. This budget crisis is the best thing that has happened to it since Reagan became governor.
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mises



Joined: 05 Nov 2007
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 10:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree. Californians need to learn the phrase "we can't afford it".

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Pluto



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Calafornia's bond rating might get down graded to a speculative rating here pretty soon. (ie. junk bonds) They can't raise taxes because tax reciepts will decrease if they do. So California taxpayers and bond markets are both telling Sacremento to drop dead. Yet, Cali pols have no desire to to stop or halt spending at current levels. Something will have to give.
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mises



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pluto wrote:
Calafornia's bond rating might get down graded to a speculative rating here pretty soon. (ie. junk bonds) They can't raise taxes because tax reciepts will decrease if they do. So California taxpayers and bond markets are both telling Sacremento to drop dead. Yet, Cali pols have no desire to to stop or halt spending at current levels. Something will have to give.


They've not been able to balance the budget for a couple decades, no matter what level of spending. I wouldn't lend to them. Who would?
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ManintheMiddle



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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the summers of 1991 and 1992 I was a field supervisor and mentor for Teach for America at USC, which is located in what has become a very bad neighborhood with helicopter flyovers at night and drive-by strafing at intersections during the day and night (sort of like a war zone).

I saw firsthand what was developing into a huge budget shortfall--massive spending on education including bilingual classes for the children of illegal immigrants, most of whom paid no taxes in return. Take those hundreds of millions out of the education budget, annually, over the past two decades and your budget problems in education would be resolved. But tell that to the liberal enablers.

And guess who suffers most from this spending? No, it's the children of LEGAL Latino immigrants who must contend with fewer teachers, bigger classes, and shared materials.

THINK about the irony of that.
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RufusW



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 12:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ManintheMiddle wrote:
massive spending on education including bilingual classes for the children of illegal immigrants, most of whom paid no taxes in return. Take those hundreds of millions out of the education budget, annually, over the past two decades and your budget problems in education would be resolved.

I lol'd.

So there's illegal immigrants and you'll argue to not educate them. What problems do you think that might cause? Errr... lots of crime, lots of poverty, break down of society, the emergence of a real underclass.

What's a 'liberal enabler'? Someone who tries to enable poor people to get a job?

Positive outcome of California's budget: legalisation of cannabis!
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mises



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why "lol"? The productive are leaving the state and being replaced by Mexicans. The tax base is shrinking and the size of the beneficiaries is expanding. Not possible to maintain.

Would you put your kids in LA unified school district?
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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being replaced by Mexicans


I take it the Mexicans are intellectually inferior, right?
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mises



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No. Just poor. California sees a net outflow of several hundred thousand citizens a year and a net inflow of very poor Mexicans in larger numbers. Whatever you want to feel about this, it isn't sustainable in a welfare state.
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bacasper



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ManintheMiddle wrote:
I saw firsthand what was developing into a huge budget shortfall--massive spending on education including bilingual classes for the children of illegal immigrants, most of whom paid no taxes in return.

California has a sales tax, in fact the highest in the nation. Don't illegal immigrants need to buy things and pay sales taxes?

Illegals pay into social security but never receive it, and there are many services which they do not apply for. That ought to more than offset the cost of the bilingual program.
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alphakennyone



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the opening of the Merced campus was a mistake. It was supposed to be a science-focused campus, and the faculty are not bringing in the research funds. The sciences/engineering faculty tend to be paid much more than the "leftwing idealogues" in the history dept, btw, and when they don't bring money INTO the system, they are a bigger liability.
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ManintheMiddle wrote:
In the summers of 1991 and 1992 I was a field supervisor and mentor for Teach for America at USC, which is located in what has become a very bad neighborhood with helicopter flyovers at night and drive-by strafing at intersections during the day and night (sort of like a war zone).

I saw firsthand what was developing into a huge budget shortfall--massive spending on education including bilingual classes for the children of illegal immigrants, most of whom paid no taxes in return. Take those hundreds of millions out of the education budget, annually, over the past two decades and your budget problems in education would be resolved. But tell that to the liberal enablers.

And guess who suffers most from this spending? No, it's the children of LEGAL Latino immigrants who must contend with fewer teachers, bigger classes, and shared materials.

THINK about the irony of that.


Prop 187, which would have "eliminated" this problem, was passed by CA voters in 1994, but the federal court declared it unconstitutional. So the state can partially blame that one on the federal gov't.

Also, in 1998 the CA electorate voted in favor of banning bilingual education (with prop 227).

We're not as left-wing here as you think. Wink

And bacasper, yes CA has a very high sales tax. Sadly the state gov't is so messed up and has so many costs that the high sales tax doesn't mean squat. the state receives more revenue from income tax (also one of the highest in the nation).
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bucheon bum



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

alphakennyone wrote:
I think the opening of the Merced campus was a mistake. It was supposed to be a science-focused campus, and the faculty are not bringing in the research funds. The sciences/engineering faculty tend to be paid much more than the "leftwing idealogues" in the history dept, btw, and when they don't bring money INTO the system, they are a bigger liability.


Well time will tell. The Central Valley is the biggest area of population growth in the state. The university is only 4 years old. Let's see where it is 15 years from now.
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alphakennyone



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agree with California not being as leftwing as the O-Reilly fan thinks. Prop 187, Prop 8.....and not to mention that for the vast majority of my life, the governor has been a Republican (Deukmejian, Wilson, Schwarzenegger, with a brief interlude featuring Davis). Now, I've only been alive 26 years, but 22 of those years were under Republican governors. Blue state? Really?
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