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		| Mpark 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 3:54 am    Post subject: Good idea to bring Gifts when starting in a new school? |   |  
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				| Hi all, 
 I'm going to Korea for the first time, got a year long contract with SMOE starting at the end of August. Can anyone tell me is it a good idea to bring gifts to a school when starting there? If so what type of gifts should I bring? I'm particularily interested as I'll be looking for two weeks vacation at the start of December to fly home for a family wedding and was thinking it might be wise to butter up the school principal from the outset so as to make it easier to get the vacation time. Will this work????
 
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		| Kikomom 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 4:21 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Yes, something commemorative of where you come from, your hobby, favorite sports, etc. works.  Make sure you wrap it neatly in festive paper and present it to your boss with BOTH hands (Korean tradition).  Don't feel bad if it is put aside to be opened later, that's another Korean tradition. |  | 
	
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		| ChinaBoy 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 4:33 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| You will NOT get vacation time during school.  Prepare to be fired. |  | 
	
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		| rationality 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 4:53 am    Post subject: |   |  
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		| Mpark 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:15 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Hmm, I'm coming from Ireland, is it ok to give Alcohol, like a bottle of Irish Whiskey? 
 
 
 
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	  | You will NOT get vacation time during school. Prepare to be fired. |  
 Is this true in all cases or will it depend on the school? Was planning on acting all nice nice (basically being a suck up) for the first few weeks before asking. My recruiter assured me I would get it and that it would fall under special leave but then again I have a sneaking susicion she's full of sh!t. Sure it doesn't specify family wedding for special leave on the Smoe contract.
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		| PigeonFart 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:31 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Do not give them anything until you know them better. They could be a right bunch of kunts (as the Germans say). |  | 
	
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		| Theo 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:46 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | Was planning on acting all nice nice (basically being a suck up) for the first few weeks before asking. My recruiter assured me I would get it ... |  
 I took gifts to my students in China, when I first arrived in 2003, but of course, I didn't have nearly enough because the recruiter totally lied to me about the number of students I would be teaching.
 
 After I became well acquainted with some decent Chinese employers (the ONLY two I had in five years there), in a different city, a year later, I gave them each two bottles of Johnny Walker Black, which they seemed to geuinely appreciate. I don't think they drank it, but enjoyed having some quality western booze to show-off to their cronies nevertheless. I did this without any ulterior motives or agendas.
 
 In Korea, my Korean employers refused to have any direct dealing with the foreign teachers. I wouldn;t have even thrown them a bag of peanuts, for the way they treated me.
 
 As for your aforementioned "assurances" from your recruiter... They will say ANYTHING to get you to sign, so they can collect their fee and move on to the next recruit. Their word is worth nothing in the end, as most FTs in China and Korea will attest.
 
 As for becoming a "suck-up," not a good plan. You'll probably feel like a slave soon enough.
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		| Jessie41 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:48 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | Mpark wrote: |  
	  | Hmm, I'm coming from Ireland, is it ok to give Alcohol, like a bottle of Irish Whiskey? 
 
 
 
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	  | You will NOT get vacation time during school. Prepare to be fired. |  
 Is this true in all cases or will it depend on the school? Was planning on acting all nice nice (basically being a suck up) for the first few weeks before asking. My recruiter assured me I would get it and that it would fall under special leave but then again I have a sneaking susicion she's full of sh!t. Sure it doesn't specify family wedding for special leave on the Smoe contract.
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 A bottle of Irish Whiskey is a good idea, especially for males, since that type of alcohol is very expensive in Korea.  It's what I gave my principal and V.P. when I left.  They liked it very much.  But keep in mind if you are going to give gifts, you'll need something for the principal, vice-principal, and your main co-teacher, at least.  The customs regulation is one one-liter bottle.  They may let you get away with more as long as you are not bringing too much, just declare it if you are over.
 
 As for the special leave, there is no way for your recruiter to guarantee you will get it.  Of course, you can still ask and it may or may not be granted.  The more they like you the better your chances are.  Maybe you'll get lucky and they will have testing that week.
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		| andrewchon 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:01 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Take an unpaid vacation. Your co-teacher will do your lessons and plot, plot, plot. Most like scenario is what happened when I went to 3night/4day GEPIK O. No lessons what so ever, picked from where we left off and that was that. |  | 
	
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		| bobbybigfoot 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 3:08 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Over two years ago, I brought a bunch of gifts (alcohol) as I read that this was the polite thing to do and I wanted to get off on the right foot. On the first day, I gave a bottle of ice wine to my manager. Perhaps I got a thank you, but I do remember being so underwhelmed that I decided NOT to give away the other gifts. A year later, however, I gave the rest to my girlfriend's family who quite appreciated them. 
 I had this notion that I was a "guest" invited to Korea to teach. I had this image of Koreans as being super polite, respectful and serious students.
 
 Boy, did I learn fast.
 
 To be fair, I'm in the "big hagwon" side of things.
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		| blackjack 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 3:32 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| You can bring gifts but don't do it on the first meeting.  If your principal makes an effort to take care of you in the first week, takes you out blah blah blah, then give it (if you want). 
 look at it this way, would a new Korean teacher at the school give gifts to the principal?
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		| bobbybigfoot 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 6:47 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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 look at it this way, would a new Korean teacher at the school give gifts to the principal?
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 According to custom, yes.
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		| blackjack 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:16 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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 look at it this way, would a new Korean teacher at the school give gifts to the principal?
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 According to custom, yes.
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 custom yes, but not practiced a lot anymore Well among public teachers that I know (from four different schools)
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		| oldfatfarang 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:31 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Save your money. I've given gifts (and not given gifts) at 2 public schools. I've also given extra gifts on returning from overseas vacations. It's a nice thought - but............... it won't get you any  more special treatment. Your school is either going to treat you well, or they aren't. I don't think gift-giving will help much. 
 Case in point. Despite giving my P and 2 VP's gifts on arrival, and throughout the year - they've just cancelled my extended vacation. They've also scheduled extra summer classes so I can't leave Korea. I'm resigning because of it - and I feel a little hurt that our 'special relationship' didn't allow them to bend the rules for me (a very faint hope in Korea).
 
 My advice, I'd save your money for paying for those little 'surprises' that Korean management (and their lack of forward planning etc) springs on you, i.e.,  (1) paying 30,000 won to extend your ARC because they switch your contract dates when you first arrive (2) paying 50,000 won in flight cancellation fees when they reneg on your vacation plans.
 
 Good luck.
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		| Dodgy Al 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 7:38 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| If you are working for SMOE then you don't know which school you'll be at. Your recruiter also doesn't know. The chances of you getting that time off is slim-to-nothing. Best of luck though. |  | 
	
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