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youcollme
Joined: 07 Jun 2009
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:43 pm Post subject: Background Check- I need LEGIT answers please! |
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Hi there!
I apologize if this topic has already been posted, however, it seems like the E2 visa requirements change on a daily basis! I have signed up with several recruiters and I've done a LOT of research on here, and no one ever seems to have the same answer regarding background checks. For a NEW person hoping to come to Korea in September (please keep this in mind as requirements are MUCH different from when you got here a year ago, 6 months ago, etc.), are you required to submit a notarized, authenticated and apsotilled STATE background check or will local suffice?
I have been told by some recruiters that a local background is "okay for this semester." (in Gyeonggi) and by others that it "absolutely has to be state." I've also been told I can submit a state background check from another state than the one I actually live in! Is that even true??
The bottom line is that I have a local background check ready to go, and let me tell you, it's a pain in the ass to have it notarized, authenticated and apostilled, especially when you're working full time, thus I'd really like to get down to the bottom of this in case I need to do this run-around all over again....and why are some recruiters allowing local and others aren't? Don't they have to submit these papers to the same place!? |
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alphakennyone

Joined: 01 Aug 2005 Location: city heights
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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the best answer I think you will find is "it depends." Some people are still getting visas using local checks, but there are stories of people getting rejected for not having a state check. It depends on immigration and who receives your application. If you want to play it safe, get the state background check. If you want to try your chances, use the local.
Starting around May/June, most recruiters started saying a state check was required, so that's what I got. I didn't submit a local check, so I don't know if I would've been rejected or not.
I will give you one good piece of news: most state checks do not require a notary, just an apostille. Because the criminal record check is signed by a state government official, the secretary of state doesn't require a notarization and county clerk signature - this is for California anyway. So just a two step process.
Welcome to the land of morning ambiguity. |
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lifeinkorea
Joined: 24 Jan 2009 Location: somewhere in China
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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It isn't a simple yes or no. Since you could fool immigration into thinking you are from another state, some immigration officers would rather see a local check. This to them might seem more legit, since you were able work with a police station at a local level.
I had an affidavit with my local check and immigration accepted. Someone else on here claimed to have done the opposite and didn't get accepted. So, they printed out a local one from online, went to the US Embassy and signed an affidavit. That I understand got accepted.
The recruiters are probably telling you to get a state check because they think that will trump anything. It doesn't necessarily mean immigration won't accept a local check. If you are in the states, you should be able to get a state check. I suggest that for firsttimers to Korea.
If you are already in Korea you can try getting a local check accepted. I am preparing that myself. Hopefully, it will go through. |
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youcollme
Joined: 07 Jun 2009
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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I suppose you're right, a state background check would be a safe bet, however, it seems as if public school jobs (especially in any semi-metropolitan areas aside from Seoul) seem to be more scarce, or recruiters are making it seem that way. I was told by one recruiter that a school will offer several teachers the same job, and whoever gets their paperwork in first, will get the job, (which sounds ridiculous and kind of cruel), but I was hoping I would be able to send my paper work (including my current local background check) right away when needed. I'm not really getting many offers anyway, though I have a bachelor's degree in journalism, the CELTA and teaching experience, thus I guess taking my sweet ass time getting a state background check wouldn't make a difference anyway!
Does it really matter which state you get the background check from? Just curious!  |
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wallythewhale
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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Public schools require only a local CBC whereas private schools want a statewide CBC. That's just what my recruiter told me. I sent in my local CBC and got accepted with SMOE. |
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youcollme
Joined: 07 Jun 2009
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Posted: Sun Jul 19, 2009 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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wallythewhale wrote: |
Public schools require only a local CBC whereas private schools want a statewide CBC. That's just what my recruiter told me. I sent in my local CBC and got accepted with SMOE. |
REALLY.... which recruiter did you use, if you don't mind me asking? A direct contact from EPIK told me I needed to use a state background check for a public school job in Seoul. I've only been looking for public school jobs this entire time. So frustrating. |
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nyla54
Joined: 17 Jun 2009
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:30 am Post subject: |
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wallythewhale wrote: |
Public schools require only a local CBC whereas private schools want a statewide CBC. That's just what my recruiter told me. I sent in my local CBC and got accepted with SMOE. |
Yeah, I would ask you as well which recruiter you used. I was accepted into SMOE, and was specifically told not to bother sending my local CRC. My recruiter did tell me this, but they have been great so far and very legit.
Also, I agree with other posts that argue it's all circumstantial: where you are from, where you lived before, who reviews your documents, etc. I think that if you're in a rush, it's best to just get the state-wide; however, if you have time, you may have the luxury to take your chance, but you should also consider the time and mail costs involved. |
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t1m1ty
Joined: 24 May 2009 Location: Bundang
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:35 am Post subject: |
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nyla54 wrote: |
Yeah, I would ask you as well which recruiter you used. I was accepted into SMOE, and was specifically told not to bother sending my local CRC. My recruiter did tell me this, but they have been great so far and very legit.
Also, I agree with other posts that argue it's all circumstantial: where you are from, where you lived before, who reviews your documents, etc. I think that if you're in a rush, it's best to just get the state-wide; however, if you have time, you may have the luxury to take your chance, but you should also consider the time and mail costs involved. |
I was actually accepted into SMOE with my local CBC. Do we need another CBC for our visas? |
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nyla54
Joined: 17 Jun 2009
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 12:40 am Post subject: |
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youcollme wrote: |
I suppose you're right, a state background check would be a safe bet, however, it seems as if public school jobs (especially in any semi-metropolitan areas aside from Seoul) seem to be more scarce, or recruiters are making it seem that way. I was told by one recruiter that a school will offer several teachers the same job, and whoever gets their paperwork in first, will get the job, (which sounds ridiculous and kind of cruel), but I was hoping I would be able to send my paper work (including my current local background check) right away when needed. I'm not really getting many offers anyway, though I have a bachelor's degree in journalism, the CELTA and teaching experience, thus I guess taking my sweet ass time getting a state background check wouldn't make a difference anyway!
Does it really matter which state you get the background check from? Just curious!  |
In regards to posts being "scarce," I heard the same as well. Most likely due to the reality of and hysteria around the bad economy (pick your country), there's been a huge influx of applicants overall to teach English in Korea. I think the public schools programs in general (EPIK, GEPIK, and SMOE) have had a rush of applicants.
The bad news is that it is true that they overextend acceptances than is possible to accommodate. I know this is frustrating, but they do this because many people have difficulty in the final documents process, which I believe is commonly due to giving up. (So semi-good news?)
The definitely good news is that there are deadlines in place--"priority deadlines," if you will. I was just recently accepted in SMOE, and was told that there was a deadline my recruiter had to send in my documents to "essentially secure" my position. I was told this by my recruiter. I know many posts are dedicated to recruiters screwing people over, but I am going to trust mine and hope it works out for the best.
In any event, if you want the public school post, I would suggest you avoid taking your sweet time. I believe most public school programs' orientations are coming up soon at the end of August. I know this is about a month away, but factor in the time to process your visa (2 weeks or more). Plus, you will most definitely need a Notice of Appointment (NOA) from your employer in order to obtain an E-2 visa. |
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nyla54
Joined: 17 Jun 2009
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 1:30 am Post subject: |
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t1m1ty wrote: |
nyla54 wrote: |
Yeah, I would ask you as well which recruiter you used. I was accepted into SMOE, and was specifically told not to bother sending my local CRC. My recruiter did tell me this, but they have been great so far and very legit.
Also, I agree with other posts that argue it's all circumstantial: where you are from, where you lived before, who reviews your documents, etc. I think that if you're in a rush, it's best to just get the state-wide; however, if you have time, you may have the luxury to take your chance, but you should also consider the time and mail costs involved. |
I was actually accepted into SMOE with my local CBC. Do we need another CBC for our visas? |
By accepted into SMOE with your local CBC, do you mean your local CBC was accepted in your documents package--the package you send after you are accepted after the phone interview? If so then I guess you should be fine with your local CBC. Generally, you don't need to submit your CBC when applying for your visa; you just need the other standard stuff (form, passport, etc). However, I've heard of some consulates asking for a copy of your CBC and official transcripts as well. But my guess would be if you cleared with SMOE headquarters and received the visa issuance number or NOA, you should be okay. |
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wallythewhale
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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nyla54 wrote: |
wallythewhale wrote: |
Public schools require only a local CBC whereas private schools want a statewide CBC. That's just what my recruiter told me. I sent in my local CBC and got accepted with SMOE. |
Yeah, I would ask you as well which recruiter you used. I was accepted into SMOE, and was specifically told not to bother sending my local CRC. My recruiter did tell me this, but they have been great so far and very legit.
Also, I agree with other posts that argue it's all circumstantial: where you are from, where you lived before, who reviews your documents, etc. I think that if you're in a rush, it's best to just get the state-wide; however, if you have time, you may have the luxury to take your chance, but you should also consider the time and mail costs involved. |
The name of my recruiter is to be anonymous, but I can tell you that I received my Notice of Appointment. That seals the deal.
As far as visas go, call up your consulate first. I called the one in Chicago and the lady said that only an NOA, contract, application form, and passport was needed. But I'm gonna bring all the other stuff with me as well just in case because she had a horrible case of Engrish. |
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Theo
Joined: 04 Jul 2009
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: Background Check- I need LEGIT answers please! |
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youcollme wrote: |
I apologize if this topic has already been posted, however, it seems like!the E2 visa requirements change on a daily basis! |
Yup, remember what country you're dealing with...
youcollme wrote: |
I was told by one recruiter that a school will offer several teachers the same job, and whoever gets their paperwork in first, will get the job, (which sounds ridiculous and kind of cruel) |
Welcome to Korea!
wallythewhale wrote: |
[As far as visas go, call up your consulate first. I called the one in Chicago and the lady said that only an NOA, contract, application form, and passport was needed. But I'm gonna bring all the other stuff with me as well just in case because she had a horrible case of Engrish. |
I had my visa "interview" at the Chicago consulate. After jumping through so many time-consuming and annoying (and costly) hoops, I balked at the expense of having to fly to and from Chicago, and pay for an overnight hotel stay (my interview was early in the morning, and the consulate refused to schedule for a later time). Anyway, because my visa had been already approved in Seoul, I thought this was a waste of time and money (and it WAS!) but my employer agreed to reimburse flight cost upon arrival in Seoul. Of course, after I arrived, guess what, they refused the pledged reimbursement. Welcome to Korea!
Anyway, at the conclusion of my visa "interview" in Chicago, I asked Mr. Choi the esteemed consulate "leader," a question regarding E-2 visa renewal and he replied (I'm not kidding): "I don't know anything about visas, or visa policies."
Choi also tried to lure me into EPIK, even though I had already accepted and signed for a job with an adult hagwon. Clearly, he was getting a clice for every warm body he supplied to EPIK.
Foreigners should be demanding CBCs of prospective Korean employers and recruiters. |
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I-am-me

Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Location: Hermit Kingdom
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Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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Beware of coming to korea in the first place. That is the advice from the American embassy on their website. Come at your own peril. Immigration policy changes from office to office, officer to officer. Dont expect a "Legit" answer here. |
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Kimchieluver

Joined: 02 Mar 2005
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:15 am Post subject: Re: Background Check- I need LEGIT answers please! |
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Theo wrote: |
youcollme wrote: |
I apologize if this topic has already been posted, however, it seems like!the E2 visa requirements change on a daily basis! |
Yup, remember what country you're dealing with...
youcollme wrote: |
I was told by one recruiter that a school will offer several teachers the same job, and whoever gets their paperwork in first, will get the job, (which sounds ridiculous and kind of cruel) |
Welcome to Korea!
wallythewhale wrote: |
[As far as visas go, call up your consulate first. I called the one in Chicago and the lady said that only an NOA, contract, application form, and passport was needed. But I'm gonna bring all the other stuff with me as well just in case because she had a horrible case of Engrish. |
I had my visa "interview" at the Chicago consulate. After jumping through so many time-consuming and annoying (and costly) hoops, I balked at the expense of having to fly to and from Chicago, and pay for an overnight hotel stay (my interview was early in the morning, and the consulate refused to schedule for a later time). Anyway, because my visa had been already approved in Seoul, I thought this was a waste of time and money (and it WAS!) but my employer agreed to reimburse flight cost upon arrival in Seoul. Of course, after I arrived, guess what, they refused the pledged reimbursement. Welcome to Korea!
Anyway, at the conclusion of my visa "interview" in Chicago, I asked Mr. Choi the esteemed consulate "leader," a question regarding E-2 visa renewal and he replied (I'm not kidding): "I don't know anything about visas, or visa policies."
Choi also tried to lure me into EPIK, even though I had already accepted and signed for a job with an adult hagwon. Clearly, he was getting a clice for every warm body he supplied to EPIK.
Foreigners should be demanding CBCs of prospective Korean employers and recruiters. |
Theo, if you are never returning to Korea, why sign up on July 4th and start posting????? |
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Theo
Joined: 04 Jul 2009
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:09 am Post subject: Re: Background Check- I need LEGIT answers please! |
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Kimchieluver wrote: |
Theo, if you are never returning to Korea, why sign up on July 4th and start posting????? |
You imply that because I'm no longer in Korea, therefore information I post is no longer valid or true? Since when does one have to BE in Korea to post on Dave's? I was there this time one year ago, and for several months after. Have conditions, regulations, and hagwon culture changed drastically in the past few months? I seriously doubt it, a belief reinforced by lots of other posts/threads I read today.
The reasons I am posting are numerous, and some of them have been revealed in previous posts.
Why does it bother you so much that I am no longer in Korea? No one can say that the informaton I've posted is false, so what gives? It's all part of the "conversation."
Perhaps you are a recruiter and feel I am a threat to your livelihood.
Otherwise, it doesn't make sense that you should be concerned as whether I am presently IN Korea, or not.
Dave's doesn't make that requirement, so why should you?
Do you remember Freedom of Speech? |
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