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Koreans don't like Canadian beef, either
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asmith



Joined: 18 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:13 pm    Post subject: Koreans don't like Canadian beef, either Reply with quote

What is it with Koreans. American beef is bad, they say. But Canadian beef isn't even allowed to get imported into the country.
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Emeliu



Joined: 31 Mar 2009
Location: Korea, i'm OMW

PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe its the Canadian climate, or their regulations.
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big_fella1



Joined: 08 Dec 2005

PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Koreans don't like Canadian beef, either Reply with quote

asmith wrote:
What is it with Koreans. American beef is bad, they say. But Canadian beef isn't even allowed to get imported into the country.


Most Koreans I have asked are unaware of the restriction on Canadian beef. I have tried to do conversation classes with mostly young adults based on the question would you eat Canadian beef and the general response has been 'yes, why not?' They were unaware of the ban on Canadian beef. The ban was initially put in place due to BSE being found in Canada

I think Canada is trying to get their beef back into Korea, however the Korean government doesn't have the political will to do that following the street protests over allowing US beef back in.

Canada probably has grounds to appeal through the WTO or could retaliate with a special tariff on Korean products. Maybe a higher duty on cars ending in vowels that aren't Italian or Japanese for instance.

In Australia the government announces controversial measures during the summer to avoid attention, maybe they do the same here, but I wouldn't hold my breath. In the meantime can I suggest some good Australian beef to tide you over.


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komerican



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

But, but, but...I thought all the protests last year was about Anti-Americanism? (Sarcasm) Rolling Eyes
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Palladium



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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canada?!? Isn't that in Texas?
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Bucky



Joined: 19 Jul 2009
Location: Vancouver (formerly Yongsan-gu, Seoul)

PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Koreans don't like Canadian beef, either Reply with quote

big_fella1 wrote:
Canada probably has grounds through to appeal through the WTO or could retaliate with a special tariff on Korean products. Maybe a higher duty on cars ending in vowels that aren't Italian or Japanese for instance.

Theoretically, we COULD put a tariff on Korean products. But the problem is that we Canadians import a lot more than we export, so it might backfire on us. We're pretty dependent on other countries' products (for anything not related to hockey).
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earthbound14



Joined: 23 Jan 2007
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As another poster said, Canada also had BSE and had been banned from being imported by a number of countries. Korea is currently one of the holds outs refusing to import it.


I have nothing against Korea refusing to import it due to health risks, but currently most people think it's safe and considering the vast number of things imported into Canada from Korea and the economic inequality between the two trading partners...it seems a little unfair for Korea to claim protectionism when they are more than happy to deal unfairly with Canada so long as it is in their favour. But for the most part this is a 'public' non issue. American beef was the big issue. I'm not sure Canadian beef would be as big an issue, nor should it be.


The issue of mad cow in Korea was always more than just about healthy beef (the lack of actually knowledge about it was proof of that), it was always about being the little fish eaten by the big fish (which is a valid concern). With Canada, Korea is kind of the big fish (Canada is on the losing end of a trade deficit with Korea).
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crossmr



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Location: Hwayangdong, Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Koreans don't like Canadian beef, either Reply with quote

Bucky wrote:
big_fella1 wrote:
Canada probably has grounds through to appeal through the WTO or could retaliate with a special tariff on Korean products. Maybe a higher duty on cars ending in vowels that aren't Italian or Japanese for instance.

Theoretically, we COULD put a tariff on Korean products. But the problem is that we Canadians import a lot more than we export, so it might backfire on us. We're pretty dependent on other countries' products (for anything not related to hockey).


We do fine on vegetables, meat, apples and grains. We have extensive space to grow that kind of stuff.
Its the other fruits we often import and the rarer vegetables. But things like Corn (Taber!), peas, carrots, lettuce, potatoes (PEI??), etc do fine there. BC is somewhat known for their blueberries as well I think. In terms of staple foods, I think Canada doesn't have much issue there.

There was an article a month or two ago about Canada going to complain to the WTO about the beef ban as Korea apparently doesn't have justification to impose the ban right now.
I only read it in passing.
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Yesterday



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Location: Land of the Morning DongChim (Kancho)

PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone (even Koreans) know that Australian beef is the best!!

Australia goes to great lengths to keep any diseases etc out of the country - thats why quarantine is so strict..

at the airport - they will scub clean your shoes for you if you have been to a country known for diseases...

Thats why all pets imported there go through a 6-month quarantine..

well worth it - when other countries respect your food products...
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Bucky



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Location: Vancouver (formerly Yongsan-gu, Seoul)

PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Koreans don't like Canadian beef, either Reply with quote

crossmr wrote:
Bucky wrote:
big_fella1 wrote:
Canada probably has grounds through to appeal through the WTO or could retaliate with a special tariff on Korean products. Maybe a higher duty on cars ending in vowels that aren't Italian or Japanese for instance.

Theoretically, we COULD put a tariff on Korean products. But the problem is that we Canadians import a lot more than we export, so it might backfire on us. We're pretty dependent on other countries' products (for anything not related to hockey).


We do fine on vegetables, meat, apples and grains. We have extensive space to grow that kind of stuff.
Its the other fruits we often import and the rarer vegetables. But things like Corn (Taber!), peas, carrots, lettuce, potatoes (PEI??), etc do fine there. BC is somewhat known for their blueberries as well I think. In terms of staple foods, I think Canada doesn't have much issue there.

There was an article a month or two ago about Canada going to complain to the WTO about the beef ban as Korea apparently doesn't have justification to impose the ban right now.
I only read it in passing.


BC actually doesn't have too much farm land due to our terrain... That's why we have the ALR (agricultural land reserve) in place to protect farmland from development. I think the agricultural powerhouse is more in Saskatchewan, Manitoba and Ontario.

The blueberries and cherries and stuff are mostly in the Okanagan area, which isn't really that big.

But yeah, I meant non-agricultural products for import (like from South Korea). For agricultural exports, we're fine.
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Palladium



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Location: Korea

PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yesterday wrote:
Everyone (even Koreans) know that Australian beef is the best!!


Who the hell wants to eat beef that walked upside down all it's life?!?
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Sooke



Joined: 12 Jan 2004
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really? Nobody has gone there yet? OK, here goes...

I know plenty of Korean women who enjoy Canadian beef! In fact, the lucky lady I was with last night enjoyed it three times. Boo-yah!!






You see, I was referring to my phallus as 'beef', and I'm Canadian. Get it?

I'm here all week folks.
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Socks



Joined: 15 May 2008
Location: somewhere in here...

PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Palladium wrote:
Yesterday wrote:
Everyone (even Koreans) know that Australian beef is the best!!


Who the hell wants to eat beef that walked upside down all it's life?!?


That comment just shows the IQ of some recent USA graduates...

walking upside down? did you even graduate High school?
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Bronski



Joined: 17 Apr 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 3:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Socks wrote:
Palladium wrote:
Yesterday wrote:
Everyone (even Koreans) know that Australian beef is the best!!


Who the hell wants to eat beef that walked upside down all it's life?!?


That comment just shows the IQ of some recent USA graduates...

walking upside down? did you even graduate High school?


Right, because Palladium was being totally serious. He really thinks cows walk upside down in Australia.
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SHANE02



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korean beef is not even known to be safe really. No one talks about that in the land of the mighty hanwoo.

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/opinon/2009/07/170_48194.html

Korea put its application in for OIE clearance in late 2007. As there was a testing system and no BSE to report, the country expected to be designated BSE-free (officially, ``negligible risk."). To date, this group is Australia, Argentina, Finland, Iceland, New Zealand, Norway, Paraguay, Singapore, Sweden, and Uruguay. The next category down is ``controlled risk." The 33 countries in this group either have testing and control systems good enough for consumers not to worry, such as Britain, the epicenter of the disease, Canada, Japan, and the United States, or have questionable testing but no symptoms, like Mexico.

Korea made neither list. Its application was rejected in May last year, and it remained with the rest in the ``undetermined BSE risk" category for another two years.

Although reported, this setback was cleverly positioned by the government in the context of concerns over resumption of U.S. beef imports and drowned out by the noise of those few weeks. No questions were raised publicly.

One reason for rejection was that the country's random testing system, while good on paper, because you don't need to test every single cow, was so poor in practice that it was guaranteed not to find any cases. Here's how.

Nine out of ten cows in the slaughterhouse, where the testing is done, are around 18 months old. That's the age cows are turned into beef. BSE has never been found in young cows under 30 months. It typically appears in cows around 70-80 months old. These older cows are used for dairy. They are slaughtered for use in products such as pet food. Thus, the OIE examiners will give you, say, 1 point, for every beef cow that you test, and 750 for every cow tested in the high-risk dairy category.

Korea scored low because it random tested mostly beef cattle. This was like a terrorist program that body-searched old ladies and ignored men with beards.

Another reason for the rejection last year was that data regarding the ban on animal byproduct feeds was fuzzy. In other words, it was not 100 percent clear that cattle weren't still being fed dodgy meat products.
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