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bassexpander



Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.

PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:10 am    Post subject: Bill introduced to keep Korean parents out of schools... Reply with quote

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2009/07/117_48888.html

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By Kang Shin-who
Staff Reporter

A ruling-party lawmaker proposed a bill Wednesday to restrict the entry of parents and other people into elementary and secondary schools.

Rep. Cho Jeon-hyeok of the governing Grand National Party submitted the bill in order to protect teachers from violence by parents or strangers. To enter a school, they would be required to receive prior approval from schoolmasters or teachers.

``The bill is to prevent sudden visits by parents or strangers that may result in teachers being attacked. We need to protect teachers� rights in order to protect the students� right to learn,�� said Lee Pyeong-gi, secretary of Rep. Cho.

So far, schools have remained vulnerable to violence by parents, and have been unable to keep strangers off of school property, as there are no legal grounds banning outsiders from entering.

However, some parents and civic groups oppose the move. Whether the bill will be passed at the National Assembly remains uncertain given the outcry....

..........Last year, elementary and secondary schools saw a series of teachers attacked by parents and students. For example, the father of a middle school student attacked a teacher because he was unhappy with the teacher�s handing of a scuffle between his son and a classmate. The teacher sustained injuries that required over four weeks to recover.
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lifeinkorea



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Location: somewhere in China

PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can understand that during the middle hours of the day, but early on and later on in the day will be hard to enforce this gem of an idea.

If a parent wants to attack a teacher, all they have to do then is wait until the teacher leaves school. A lot worse can happen off school grounds.
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pkang0202



Joined: 09 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

lifeinkorea wrote:
I can understand that during the middle hours of the day, but early on and later on in the day will be hard to enforce this gem of an idea.

If a parent wants to attack a teacher, all they have to do then is wait until the teacher leaves school. A lot worse can happen off school grounds.


I think its a good idea. Korean parents need to learn to let teachers do their job. A parent has beef, then he needs be summoned by the teacher.

As it is now, parents treat teachers like indentured servants.

Anyone who works public schools knows that Korean parents are WAAAAY too overzealous about their child's education.
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OculisOrbis



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

would that also include random wandering sales people that just seem to regularly appear in the teachers room?
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AgentM



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The law sounds like a good idea to me.
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okokokok



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

After working at hagwons for a few years and now at an elementary school, I can't believe the parents roaming around the hallways. They have no business being there. I never saw parents at school back home. Just another example of the lack of boundaries in this country.
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okayden223



Joined: 05 Jun 2009
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes! I remember coming into the office I shared with my co-teacher one day and she was sitting there talking with a woman who I had never seen before. My Korean is rudimentary at best so I had no idea what it was about. Eventually my co-teacher got up, took her purse and left. The other woman left soon after and about 10 minutes later my co-teacher came back into our office through a different door. She told me the woman was trying to sell her makeup. I can't believe there isn't already a law against that kind of solicitation. As for needing the law to prevent parents from attacking teachers...it's called ASSAULT...here's my take on how to stop that from happening. Arrest people who do it and send them to jail instead of bowing a bunch times and pretending like nothing happened for fear that the general populace might catch wind of things that they already know occur. I'm pretty sure parents who can't afford a private school are still going to send their kids to the free public one even if there are reports of parents getting hauled off for kicking teacher ass.
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nfld_chingu



Joined: 29 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does this actually happen often enough that there needs to be a bill passed???
I was often annoyed by parents, but never assaulted. Wow.
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Demophobe



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:

Anyone who works public schools knows that Korean parents are WAAAAY too overzealous about their child's education.



Anyone who knows how Korea works would understand their zeal. I am not saying they are right, but they too are victims of a society built on grades and where one got them.
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Mr. Pink



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

okokokok wrote:
After working at hagwons for a few years and now at an elementary school, I can't believe the parents roaming around the hallways. They have no business being there. I never saw parents at school back home. Just another example of the lack of boundaries in this country.


This wouldn't happen in Canada due to Trespass to Property Acts. Essentially the principal of the school can charge anyone not authorized to be on school grounds with trespassing. This includes parents. If parents start to get violent or verbally assault teachers, staff or admin, the admin can ask the parent to leave. If they don't, the admin can call the police and have the parent charged under the Trespass to Property Act.

I guess the biggest difference is, in Canada our police are actually effective and respected. In Korea, they are pretty much a joke. Without an effective police force, how are you going to get people to leave the school?

Oh and I forgot: Why the hell isn't safety first a priority for Korean educators? Having strangers roam the halls of a school = NOT A SAFE ENVIRONMENT for children. You don't know if they are pervs or what. My kid is NEVER going to a Korean school.
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I'm no Picasso



Joined: 28 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Pink wrote:


Oh and I forgot: Why the hell isn't safety first a priority for Korean educators? Having strangers roam the halls of a school = NOT A SAFE ENVIRONMENT for children. You don't know if they are pervs or what. My kid is NEVER going to a Korean school.


This is what I was thinking. I've never seen anyone attack a teacher at my school, but we did have one student's drunk of a father come in one day dragging an enormous bamboo rod behind him, here to beat the snot out of his kid. And he brought a soju-soaked little pal with him.

Also, a couple of months ago, there was a guy in his early to mid twenties who looked to me to be quite mentally off wandering around in the downstairs hallway and around outside the building just as school let out. Didn't appear to have any business at all there. I followed him around until he got uncomfortable and headed off campus, but he kept looking back at me and toward the school, so I kept following him until he stopped at the main intersection, where he milled around for a while (I stopped as well and chatted to some nearby students, while keeping an eye on the guy) before finally just leaving. Creepy as hell.
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oldfatfarang



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone who has taught in a K public school can understand why some parents would want to come to school and 'have a little talk' with a Korean teacher.

After seeing Korean teachers' institutionalised violence against defenceless children - I can't believe that there aren't more 'assaults' on teachers by parents.

Any teacher who beat the living bee-Jeusus out of a student in my country - would be glad to be taken away by the police - because if the kid's parents got hold of them, well ......................................................
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andrewchon



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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:23 pm    Post subject: parents keep off? Reply with quote

In the big city schools it is a good idea.

In my small rural elementary school deep inside mountains we need parents' help to run the school.
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Milwaukiedave



Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree, it's a good idea. When I worked at a public school in Incheon one of the student's mother would come in regularly and yell at the principal and school staff and make a huge scene.

Not having any idea about what was going on, one day I walked into the main office (where the two vice-principles sit) and was shoved out of the office immediately by one of my co-teachers who explained something was going on and that I shouldn't be there. Later they explained the situation and said that the police were often called when this women came to the school. I asked if the women's kid was in any of my classes and I was told no.

If parents want to be on school grounds, they should sign into the office and respect the rules of the school.
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Big Mac



Joined: 17 Sep 2005

PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been thinking for a while that the Korean education system has its priorities all wrong. The principals, "chiefs" and teachers are always considered to be more important than the kids.

Their reasons for passing this law proves my theory.

How about passing the law to protect the safety of the KIDS?

I'm pretty sure that's the main reason we don't let random strangers wander the halls of schools in Canada. The lack of security at the schools here amazes me. What if someone wanted to come in to the school and rape a kid? They could just walk right in and do it and no one would blink an eye.

Korean schools are not safe places for children. Until the education system gets its priorities right it's not going to change.
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