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pkang0202

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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:33 am Post subject: |
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As for taking umbrage to monolithic descriptions of the Black community, why don't you take exception here to the constant use of same by the likes of Sharpton? Does he speak for all Blacks? Doesn't he contribute to that overgeneralizing tendency?
Don't get your corn rows all in a knot. |
I'd prefer what Chris Rock said. Chris Rock said there are 2 kinds of black people.
And it is very true. |
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kabrams

Joined: 15 Mar 2008 Location: your Dad's house
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 6:18 am Post subject: |
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You can drop that horseshit right now. This isn't 1963. More than once I've found myself still jobhunting after having lost a job opportunity to an equally qualified black man. Don'tcha just love affirmative action?
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I sure do!
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As soon as the cop asked him to come talk the "professor" started screaming about racist cops. Oh well. I'm sure the PD will be shaken down by Al and the rest. It is a foolproof system. Though it has an expiration date. |
I read the police report, and I ALSO read Gates' description of what happened. I'm reserving judgment on the matter until there are more facts.
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I agree with this post, except for the part about black college grads getting turned down for positions where whites have more qualifications; I'd need to see some pretty convincing evidence to accept that. |
Sorry, I mixed my studies. Completely my fault.
Anyway, here are two studies: One ponders why the unemployment rate of college educated African Americans is double that of college educated whites.
here: http://www.epi.org/economic_snapshots/entry/snapshots_20090422/
and here: http://newsone.blackplanet.com/nation/among-college-educated-african-americans-hardest-hit-by-unemployment/
The other is a 2007 Princeton study that shows whites with the same qualifications as blacks were twice as likely to be called back or given a job, while blacks who had served no time in prison were actually less likely to be called back for an interview or given a job than whites who had recently spent time in prison.
Here: http://www.law.virginia.edu/pdf/workshops/0708/pager.pdf
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So, what you are saying is that due to circumstances outside of their control, black people shouldn't even try.
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No, I'm not saying that at all. Keep it simple.
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Oh, really? How can you be sure? Were you there? Do you have access to the full police report? |
That's exactly my point. But you're missing it. By a huge mile.
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Don't get your corn rows all in a knot. |
Where is a TOS Mod when you need one, eh?
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I'd prefer what Chris Rock said. Chris Rock said there are 2 kinds of black people.
And it is very true. |
Chris Rock also said he dislikes every single person who quotes that skit and he wishes he never even performed it.
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As for taking umbrage to monolithic descriptions of the Black community, why don't you take exception here to the constant use of same by the likes of Sharpton? Does he speak for all Blacks? Doesn't he contribute to that overgeneralizing tendency? |
I didn't realize Al Sharpton was a poster on Dave's ESL, or else I would have addressed him by now.
I don't have to prove to anyone how much I do or do not like Al Sharpton any more than you have to prove whether or not you like Dennis Kucinich. |
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RufusW
Joined: 14 Jun 2008 Location: Busan
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 8:57 am Post subject: |
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ManintheMiddle wrote: |
Don't get your corn rows all in a knot. |
Stay classy!!! |
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RJjr

Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Location: Turning on a Lamp
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:51 am Post subject: |
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Instead of picking on black people, we need to figure out a way we're going to pay back all of that money we've borrowed from the Japanese and Arabs.
I would also like to urge all the people who owe me money, who happen to all be white people, to please repay me during our lifetimes.
As for the Harvard professor, you can bet your ass this isn't the first time the cops have effed with him. He's probably gotten a dozen or more DWBs over the years. It kind of reminds me of how I always get pulled for extra security screening at airports. Even though I'm mostly white, the whole Extra Security For the part-Hebrew/part-Native American/probably part-Arab Guy Routine at airports while all the "pure" Whiteys looks at me getting patted down like I'm a criminal makes me have a LOT more sympathy for the absolute bullshit blacks and other racial minorities have to put up with from white cops. I mean, you can see how people here on Dave's ESL Cafe talk about how Native Americans are responsible for the crime in Canada, or how Muslims cause problems rioting in Europe even though non-Muslims are rioting ad nauseum in Europe over the economy, soccer games, and so on.
I'll tell you right now, if a cop was to show up at my door right this minute and ask for my identification, I'd tell him, "Check the name on the mailbox. That's my name." If that wasn't good enough, I'd just go to bed and ignore him.  |
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RJjr

Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Location: Turning on a Lamp
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:14 am Post subject: |
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pkang0202 wrote: |
ManintheMiddle wrote: |
As for taking umbrage to monolithic descriptions of the Black community, why don't you take exception here to the constant use of same by the likes of Sharpton? Does he speak for all Blacks? Doesn't he contribute to that overgeneralizing tendency?
Don't get your corn rows all in a knot. |
I'd prefer what Chris Rock said. Chris Rock said there are 2 kinds of black people.
And it is very true. |
How many types of Korean-Americans are there? One? Three? |
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RJjr

Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Location: Turning on a Lamp
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 10:37 am Post subject: |
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I definitely believe Ogletree over the police. It reminds me of one time in middle Tennessee, a cop zoomed past a friend of mine, Dwayne, on the interstate, well above the speed limit. He followed the cop off the exit and when the cop pulled into the parking lot of a Kroger grocery store, Dwayne asked the cop's badge number. The cop asked why and Dwayne said, "You were speeding to get groceries? I need your badge number." The cop was pissed and asked my friend for his ID. They were both acting pissed off by that point and Dwayne told him, "You see, that's the beauty of it. I don't have to show you my ID under these circumstances. But you, by law, have to give me your badge number." The cop was so pissed and walked off. Dwayne complained to the sherrif and later on told me the cop in question was disciplined. Both Dwayne and the cop were white males. |
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RJjr

Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Location: Turning on a Lamp
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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One other thing in defense of African-Americans...
There are three cemeteries on my family's land, that I know of. One is a Cherokee burial ground. Another, the only one of the three that is marked, is my family's cemetery with a wall and tombstones. The third is a slave cemetery with no walls, no tombstones.
When I went to college, I was able to grow acres upon acres of tobacco on my family's land to pay for my tuition. Tobacco farming is good money and I graduated college a year early with no debt. Without the land, I don't know how many years it would've taken to pay for college.
I don't know who the descendents of the slaves my ancestors owned are or where they are. But they're out there somewhere. When they got accepted to college, they didn't have the luxury of planting tobacco or any other crop on a big farm. They never even got the promised 40 acres and a mule. That never panned out either. For every generation, they've been at a big disadvantage. When I was in college, I bought food and other items from blacks working minimum wage jobs on campus and I knew how lucky I was not to be bussing tables for minimum wage to pay my college tuition.
Even today during this bad economy, being a descendent of the white folks from the plantation, I sold hundreds of dollars of corn, beans, squash, and okra today all before the clock hit noon. The descendents of the blacks from the plantation don't have that luxury or even 40 acres and a mule to fall back on. They're out there somewhere having to hope and pray that the human resource directors and bosses will judge them by the content of their character instead of the color of their skin for what few job openings there are these days.
And it's not fair to compare immigrants to the descendents of the black slaves. My ancestors who came here from Europe had the opportunity to come to America by choice with whatever they wanted to bring. Immigrants from Asia had the opportunity to come to America by choice with whatever they wanted to bring. Today, immigrants from Africa get to come on their own free will with what they've got. When Sharpton's ancestors came to America from Africa, it wasn't an opportunity and they didn't get to check money out of the bank and pack the Samsonite suitcase before they came. They've had to scramble for every penny and it's been a lot harder for them to leave things to their children and grandchildren.
Think about all of the things your parents and grandparents have given you. We're lucky that our people didn't come out of slavery and squalor and have been able to amass wealth generation after generation and pass it on to each new generation. It's been a LOT harder for blacks. |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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RJjr wrote: |
I definitely believe Ogletree over the police. |
I would believe the cop. What does the cop have to gain? He was there on a 911 call. He wasn't just driving by the rich white neighborhood looking for black people to harass. Also, there were 2 cops at the scene initially. Also, the Professor caused such a ruckus that a neighbor called even MORE police to the scene. The Police also WARNED Gates that he was being disorderly. Did Gates stop? Of course not. He was too busy shouting about racial profiling and injustice. So, he gets arrested. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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AliciaJC wrote: |
ManintheMiddle wrote: |
Yes, it does, and I've seen it too. But it wasn't always like this. From the 1970s to the mid-1980s many Black teenagers did achieve to expectation or showed curiosity about learning. But that was before rap and hip-hop culture eroded it. I witnessed the sad transformation in an inner-city public college preparatory magnet program in Houston over the span of a decade. So did my colleagues. It's just now starting to regain its footing.
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im pretty sure it was crack cocaine that contributed heavily to the erosion. |
Yep. Big contributor. That and the decrease in blue collar jobs from the mid-80s onward. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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RJjr wrote: |
I definitely believe Ogletree over the police. It reminds me of one time in middle Tennessee, a cop zoomed past a friend of mine, Dwayne, on the interstate, well above the speed limit. He followed the cop off the exit and when the cop pulled into the parking lot of a Kroger grocery store, Dwayne asked the cop's badge number. The cop asked why and Dwayne said, "You were speeding to get groceries? I need your badge number." The cop was pissed and asked my friend for his ID. They were both acting pissed off by that point and Dwayne told him, "You see, that's the beauty of it. I don't have to show you my ID under these circumstances. But you, by law, have to give me your badge number." The cop was so pissed and walked off. Dwayne complained to the sherrif and later on told me the cop in question was disciplined. Both Dwayne and the cop were white males. |
That's a great story.  |
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RJjr

Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Location: Turning on a Lamp
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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bucheon bum wrote: |
AliciaJC wrote: |
ManintheMiddle wrote: |
Yes, it does, and I've seen it too. But it wasn't always like this. From the 1970s to the mid-1980s many Black teenagers did achieve to expectation or showed curiosity about learning. But that was before rap and hip-hop culture eroded it. I witnessed the sad transformation in an inner-city public college preparatory magnet program in Houston over the span of a decade. So did my colleagues. It's just now starting to regain its footing.
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im pretty sure it was crack cocaine that contributed heavily to the erosion. |
Yep. Big contributor. That and the decrease in blue collar jobs from the mid-80s onward. |
Yeah, it's similar to the meth epidemic and factories closing in white areas these days. Someday, somebody somewhere will probably blame country and bluegrass for the problems.  |
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RJjr

Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Location: Turning on a Lamp
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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bacasper wrote: |
That's a great story.  |
Thanks. Around here, it seems like each cop is either really great or really sucky. There is no in between.  |
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ReeseDog

Joined: 05 Apr 2008 Location: Classified
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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RufusW wrote: |
ManintheMiddle wrote: |
Don't get your corn rows all in a knot. |
Stay classy!!! |
I thought it was hilarious. |
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