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Homer
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 Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 2:42 am Post subject: Warnings about schools (or praise)...reliability? |
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When you read these posts about which schools to avoid (except for those that are substantiated, ex: Wonderland) it makes you wonder how much you should take at face value.
I mean, it seems to be very easy dissing a school on a board since no one can really refute the claims (unless that person worked or works there). To me this seems to be a major flaw in these warnings. Sometimes it sounds like the person might just be venting.
By the same token, if someone if singing the praises of a school it can be difficult to know just who is making these claims and why.
The blacklist thing seems to me fatally flawed by this. I wonder if there would be a way to make such a list more reliable (as it can be a very useful tool).... |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:09 am Post subject: |
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| Not enough people visit this site for a bad report to hurt a school, so really there is nothing to be gained by making a false claim. |
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crazylemongirl
Joined: 23 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:19 am Post subject: |
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yeah your right, there is no way of checking if stuff is true. However, if anyone wants to come around to my apartment and take a whiff of the smell of urine to verify that I live in a shiiite hole they are most welcome.
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:27 am Post subject: |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| crazylemongirl wrote: |
| yeah your right, there is no way of checking if stuff is true. However, if anyone wants to come around to my apartment and take a whiff of the smell of urine to verify that I love in a shiiite hole they are most welcome. |
You "love" in that shitehole?
Who is the lucky guy? Is he Western or Korean? *tease* |
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crazylemongirl
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 3:40 am Post subject: |
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| haha I know... damn dyslexia |
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chronicpride
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 4:08 am Post subject: Re: Warnings about schools (or praise)...reliability? |
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| Homer wrote: |
When you read these posts about which schools to avoid (except for those that are substantiated, ex: Wonderland) it makes you wonder how much you should take at face value.
I mean, it seems to be very easy dissing a school on a board since no one can really refute the claims (unless that person worked or works there). To me this seems to be a major flaw in these warnings. Sometimes it sounds like the person might just be venting.
By the same token, if someone if singing the praises of a school it can be difficult to know just who is making these claims and why.
The blacklist thing seems to me fatally flawed by this. I wonder if there would be a way to make such a list more reliable (as it can be a very useful tool).... |
I agree....after listening to many offline complaints and gripes by teachers and watching the situations they speak of (which sometimes the school is at fault, or a simple misunderstanding that has been totally blown up into something else, or something both parties are at fault, or the teacher is at fault), many teachers aggravate it with the way they approach it with their behavior, and then I see similar stories get posted on here that conveniently are one-sided and make themselves out to be angels that got a raw deal. I've known some teachers that have vented online and read their biased stories, where I've been privy to the whole story, in offline communication with teacher and school, and sometimes a 3rd party, such as a fellow native or Korean speaker. In most instances that I've seen, both parties have been at some form of fault.
God help us if we'll ever see someone come on here and say 'Avoid this school at all costs, they did this, the director did that, the head teacher made me do this, but....I may have made matters worse by doing this, behaving like that, and saying this.'
If I'm going to put stock in anything that anybody says about a school, good or bad, I want to be able to confirm that with the school and, if possible, another teacher that works there who's familiar with the credibility of both teacher and school. I think, to be fair, prior to applying a blacklist on a school, the forum should have the teacher's story, but the teacher must be able to provide (via PM) the school's phone number and/or email address, for jobseekers or inquiring parties to contact them and get a feel for the whole story. The truth can always be found somewhere in the middle. |
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Homer
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 4:40 am Post subject: |
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Chronic,
I have to agree with what you just said, good post! |
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Juggertha
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 4:58 am Post subject: |
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| I usually find it fairly easy to read between the lines. If they say "my apt. was a small hole". "The Boss expected me to perform". "The kids are terrors". I usually figure that maybe an ESL job ANYWHERE in korea wouldnt be for them. |
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humanuspneumos
Joined: 08 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2004 11:02 pm Post subject: How does a person know anything for sure? |
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All I know is that when food is good at a certain restaraunt, or there's a great place to do this or that- people will and do make noise about how great it is- on this board I have never heard such a noise to a great degree. Implication- hmmmmmm.
Anyway- I suppose if a school is great teachers will pass that information onto their inside-track friends not Dave's. So- don't worry about someone praising a school- their friend already has the job.
I do agree with kiwiboy:
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Also- take note- in 96-98 mostly schools were personally posting jobs- now it's flooded with recruiters. That leaves one with the question as to whether or not recruiters take a special interest in "balancing" all the "negative" stuff on the board to balance their check-book.
Anyway- it doesn't take rocket-science to make sense of the fact that the net is full of line-upon-line of serious complaints and hardly anybody is screaming- "Hey-I found a great place to eat."- metaphorically speaking. Do the math. People used to scream about Japan when it was really good. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2004 3:09 am Post subject: |
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| Yet there are thousands of English teachers in Korea, and only a few hundred regular posters on here. Also if one should have a great job, why advertise it? S/he would likely keep quiet about it, to keep away the competition and to pass on to a friend. Even among the few hundred posters here, I have seen a fair number of people bragging about their jobs and the few hours they work. Do a search and you'll see it too. |
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humanuspneumos
Joined: 08 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2004 12:01 am Post subject: Well |
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| Yet there are thousands of English teachers in Korea, and only a few hundred regular posters on here. |
Yes- there are thousands- and multitudes drop by for a short while to scream- "I got ripped off." or "Emergency!" or "Helllllllp me!" and so we got the evolution of EFL Law as a resonse to this ongoing drama. The steady-Eddies who have stayed here for a long time are not many. The comes and goes are from the thousands you speak of.
It has been mentioned before that stories about cute kitties don't get the attention that the negative shocking do- so I'll give you that. However, buried deep in the labrynth of internet 0's and 1's are ooodles of liability claimants crying out- "I got ripped off" well beyond the safe walls of Dave's.
As for the cycle- apologist, whiner, loser or in any order- I haven't seen anybody yet who went through any point in this cycle or began at any point in this cycle use the word "It was swell!" when all was said and done. I was hoping somebody would. But- they didn't.
People these days are saying more like- get what you can and run while the running is good. Perhaps that's the way to do it. |
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