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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| This is special interest nonsense. You can't believe 1 quadrillion percent of what you read/hear from organizations sucking on the government tit. They lie like rugs. |
As opposed to people working in the business sector who always tell the truth?
Anyway, I don't see why 65,000 is so outrageous. It was qualified with a 'could possibly' after all.
On average, more than 40,000 people die of flu in the US each year. The UK has a much smaller population, but thousands die in the UK annually, succumbing to strains to which the populution - by and large - has some resistance. Throw in a new strain to which there is little immunity, and you are sure to have a big spike in the stats.
As for immigrants being responsible - haha. Wasn't it British holiday-makers returning from the Americas that introduced it to the UK? |
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blade
Joined: 30 Jun 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 2:23 am Post subject: |
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| No no no, Karea was saying swine flu was affecting Britain disproportionately because of immigrants. Totally stupid, totally false. |
Swine Flu doesn't seem to be hitting us too badly here in the states, and, believe me, we've a steady stream of folks crossing the Rio every day. |
Well thanks to the Bush presidency much of that stream is now in the opposite direction  |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:39 am Post subject: |
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| New black death, kills lots of people, religion comes back full force, modern version of Canterbury tales is made, we blame the Jews, a new Renaissance occurs and an "Age of Exploration" into space occurs. All in the next 5 years! |
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mises
Joined: 05 Nov 2007
Location: retired
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| Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:56 am Post subject: |
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| As opposed to people working in the business sector who always tell the truth? |
No. They've been dishonest as hell too. However, from sucking the nipple of the state there is a sharp competition of hysterics. He who lies more and bigger gets paid more.
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| Anyway, I don't see why 65,000 is so outrageous. It was qualified with a 'could possibly' after all. |
I 'could possibly' win the lotto today too. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
Anyway, I don't see why 65,000 is so outrageous. It was qualified with a 'could possibly' after all. |
Its probably not outrageous in a (relatively) free society. But in other places, dire predictions of mass death is spurning the gov't into exercises of futility and stupidity.
I do find it annoying.
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On average, more than 40,000 people die of flu in the US each year. The UK has a much smaller population, but thousands die in the UK annually, succumbing to strains to which the populution - by and large - has some resistance. Throw in a new strain to which there is little immunity, and you are sure to have a big spike in the stats. |
Well, its only one strain, see. And there's a cure for it, and its not like the press hasn't given it more than its due: how many people can honestly say they've never heard of swine flu?
I think we've done all we can, and now what's left that's still reasonable is treat the patients as they file into the hospitals. |
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mateomiguel
Joined: 16 May 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 5:33 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't have a problem with this because swine flu only kills fat people. |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/375dde06-7559-11de-9ed5-00144feabdc0.html?nclick_check=1
Drug groups to reap swine-flu billions
By Andrew Jack in London
Published: July 20 2009 19:40 | Last updated: July 20 2009 23:43
Some of the world�s leading pharmaceutical companies are reaping billions of dollars in extra revenue amid global concern about the spread of swine flu.
Analysts expect to see a boost in sales from GlaxoSmithKline, Roche and Sanofi-Aventis when the companies report first-half earnings lifted by government contracts for flu vaccines and antiviral medicines.
(see full story at link above) |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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Well, its only one strain, see. And there's a cure for it, and its not like the press hasn't given it more than its due: how many people can honestly say they've never heard of swine flu? |
I don't understand this - you are saying there is a cure for swine flu? Extraordinary!
Some of your post seems to suggest we shouldn't pay any attention to swine flu either - just let the patients queue up in the hospitals. We should be ignoring the advice of health authorities? Some of that advice is isolating yourself if you have the symptoms.
People should consider the advice and act on it when applicable. I was really annoyed by one of my friends a few days ago. He is so obsessed with studying that he insisted I drop by (he lives close to uni) to do some work. He opened the gate, and I took one look at him and told him "Mate, I'm not going near you." He was sick as a dog. I asked him if he had a fever. Yes he did. So why the f*** did he not cancel? Totally irresponsible, swine flu or not. He spent the next few days as sick as a dog, and it may well have been swine flu.
I have two small children, and an elderly mother. Not only would they get sick, my whole support system would disintegrate (who would look after the kids/my mother - who would take care of my kids when I'm studying if my mum was sick?) and I might even have to withdraw my enrollents. Last year I had to withdraw from a subject precisely due to such a scenario when my whole family went down with a gastro flu that saw my kids prohibited from entering the day care centre and my mother sick for 5-6 weeks. I dropped a subject and never really caught up with the others, either.
Given that you are more likely to die from swine flu than other flus doing the rounds, it was extremely irresponsible - given I have preschoolers and an old mum. I could even be pregnant for all he knows.
If I get swine flu symptoms, then I'll act responsibly, and not behave in ways that would make me more likely to transmit the virus. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| New black death, kills lots of people, religion comes back full force, modern version of Canterbury tales is made, we blame the Jews, a new Renaissance occurs and an "Age of Exploration" into space occurs. All in the next 5 years! |
That is one of the smartest and funniest things I have read on this board in a while. |
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Koveras
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I think the risks are played up by health organizations (and drug companies), who are anxious to justify the money they spent (and made) on earlier 'epidemics' that never materialized. After this one doesn't materialize, they'll have to play up the next one. It's a vicious whatchamacallit. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Some of you think this flu is having little effect in the real world - it's all some big Tabloid conspiracy which the government and drug companies are colluding in, eh? Where I live, unnecessary operations have been postponed because a) there is now a desperate shortage of respirators to deal with those patients who are in a serious condition due to swine flu, and because b) so many doctors and nurses are sick with this flu that it's become an operational nightmare, with hospitals and clinics being critically understaffed. |
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mateomiguel
Joined: 16 May 2005
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| where do you live Big Bird? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 12:27 am Post subject: |
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Well, its only one strain, see. And there's a cure for it, and its not like the press hasn't given it more than its due: how many people can honestly say they've never heard of swine flu? |
I don't understand this - you are saying there is a cure for swine flu? Extraordinary! |
http://www.tamiflu.com/
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| Some of your post seems to suggest we shouldn't pay any attention to swine flu either - just let the patients queue up in the hospitals. We should be ignoring the advice of health authorities? Some of that advice is isolating yourself if you have the symptoms. |
Of course you should isolate yourself if you have the symptoms. I agree with that.
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| People should consider the advice and act on it when applicable. I was really annoyed by one of my friends a few days ago. He is so obsessed with studying that he insisted I drop by (he lives close to uni) to do some work. He opened the gate, and I took one look at him and told him "Mate, I'm not going near you." He was sick as a dog. I asked him if he had a fever. Yes he did. So why the f*** did he not cancel? Totally irresponsible, swine flu or not. He spent the next few days as sick as a dog, and it may well have been swine flu. |
Yes, your friend was silly.
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| I have two small children, and an elderly mother. Not only would they get sick, my whole support system would disintegrate (who would look after the kids/my mother - who would take care of my kids when I'm studying if my mum was sick?) and I might even have to withdraw my enrollents. Last year I had to withdraw from a subject precisely due to such a scenario when my whole family went down with a gastro flu that saw my kids prohibited from entering the day care centre and my mother sick for 5-6 weeks. I dropped a subject and never really caught up with the others, either. |
This is precisely what I don't want: mothers like you worrying excessively about getting the flu.
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| Given that you are more likely to die from swine flu than other flus doing the rounds, it was extremely irresponsible - given I have preschoolers and an old mum. I could even be pregnant for all he knows. |
Marginally more likely to die from the swine flu.
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| If I get swine flu symptoms, then I'll act responsibly, and not behave in ways that would make me more likely to transmit the virus. |
Yes, and remember to be careful while on electric toilets.*
*(The only death associated with swine flu here in China, where there is MASSIVE FEAR being spread by the gov't, was from an individual who recovered from the symptoms and had recuperated, only to die in an unrelated freak accident caused by a malfunction of an electric toilet). |
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aussieb
Joined: 08 Sep 2007
Location: Brisbane,Australia
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| Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:39 am Post subject: |
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As at yesterday, Swine Flu deaths in Australia totalled 46 with another 103 patients in intensive care units in hospitals.
It seems to be spreading out of control here with more deaths being reported almost daily. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:44 am Post subject: |
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As at yesterday, Swine Flu deaths in Australia totalled 46 with another 103 patients in intensive care units in hospitals.
It seems to be spreading out of control here with more deaths being reported almost daily. |
I understand that scientists are worried because they think this strain has the unique potential to mutate into a more destructive form, but isn't 46 deaths just a normal number for an average flu outbreak? |
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