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djnickname
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
Location: Canada
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 Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:12 am Post subject: Martial Arts in Korea |
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Hi,
I am looking for information about martial arts in Korea, in and around Seoul.
I know that Tae Kwon Do is their national ma, but I am not interested in that.
I feel that it is not reality based enough to work as self defence.
I am looking for things like Muay Thai, or Krav Maga. Or any others that I may not have heard of before.
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weebil
Joined: 24 May 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 9:40 am Post subject: |
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no, thats wrong.
1 do taekwondo
2 become a bad dude
3 ????
4 PROFIT |
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redaxe
Joined: 01 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu! It's fun, effective, and not for little kids.
http://bjj.co.kr/ |
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kinerry
Joined: 01 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| redaxe wrote: |
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu! It's fun, effective, and not for little kids.
http://bjj.co.kr/ |
Thank you thank you thank you
I still can't believe people want taekwondo or karate lessons, that stuff is useless against someone well trained in a grapping art. |
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roadwork
Joined: 24 Nov 2008
Location: Goin' up the country
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| Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| kinerry wrote: |
| redaxe wrote: |
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu! It's fun, effective, and not for little kids.
http://bjj.co.kr/ |
Thank you thank you thank you
I still can't believe people want taekwondo or karate lessons, that stuff is useless against someone well trained in a grapping art. |
If you can find a good Hapkido school, they will teach everything from long range to close range to joint locks all the way to takedowns and submission holds. The intricate joint lock stuff is difficult to master because you really can't practice it at full speed. And the other down side to Hapkido is that it's mostly kids practicing it. However, you might be able to do a one on one class with the instructor for 30-40k extra per month |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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Don't take up taekwondo. It's good for exercise but it won't teach you to defend yourself. I took it for three years and it kept me in shape, but it won't save your life.
Muay Thai or gyeoktoogi (Korean-style kickboxing) are growing popular here. Ask a Korean friend to do a search for you on the Web.
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blackjack
Joined: 04 Jan 2006
Location: anyang
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| Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| roadwork wrote: |
| kinerry wrote: |
| redaxe wrote: |
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu! It's fun, effective, and not for little kids.
http://bjj.co.kr/ |
Thank you thank you thank you
I still can't believe people want taekwondo or karate lessons, that stuff is useless against someone well trained in a grapping art. |
If you can find a good Hapkido school, they will teach everything from long range to close range to joint locks all the way to takedowns and submission holds. The intricate joint lock stuff is difficult to master because you really can't practice it at full speed. And the other down side to Hapkido is that it's mostly kids practicing it. However, you might be able to do a one on one class with the instructor for 30-40k extra per month |
I second hapkido, it's a nice mixture of kicking, punching, blocks, joints, ground work and weapons an hour a day five times a week runs me 90,000 a month |
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coralreefer_1
Joined: 19 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 7:01 am Post subject: |
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I would agree with everything said, but I would add that is doesn't really matter whether you take an ineffective style like taekwondo (others opinions) or a proven are like BJJ if you are not actually pretty decent at it.
I would suggest searching for something that suits your body style, athleticism, and abilities. An unbalanced, and weak student with a lack of coordination studying BJJ and Thai boxing is no better off than studying any other art out there.
Here is a nice discussion that went on a few weeks ago regarding these issues between some of the members on this board who are experiences with martial arts.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=158881&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight= |
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Bloopity Bloop
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo
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| Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:07 am Post subject: |
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| kinerry wrote: |
| redaxe wrote: |
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu! It's fun, effective, and not for little kids.
http://bjj.co.kr/ |
Thank you thank you thank you
I still can't believe people want taekwondo or karate lessons, that stuff is useless against someone well trained in a grapping art. |
Lyoto Machida. |
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Leafs42084
Joined: 31 May 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 11:59 am Post subject: |
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| Bloopity Bloop wrote: |
| kinerry wrote: |
| redaxe wrote: |
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu! It's fun, effective, and not for little kids.
http://bjj.co.kr/ |
Thank you thank you thank you
I still can't believe people want taekwondo or karate lessons, that stuff is useless against someone well trained in a grapping art. |
Lyoto Machida. |
I think he was referring to the really commercial mcdojos. Kyokushin and Shotokan karate have always been the better ones.
I personally do muay thai and boxing, and I love both. I did BJJ for a while but it wasnt really my thing... |
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Bloopity Bloop
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo
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| Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Leafs42084 wrote: |
I think he was referring to the really commercial mcdojos. Kyokushin and Shotokan karate have always been the better ones.
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While this might be true, he did qualify his statement about the grappler being well trained. So I assumed the TMA fighter would be equally well trained.
To address kinerry again:
You can laud BJJ/grappling all you want and look down on TMA.
The fact is, you need to be thinking about where each style is useful. If you only learn BJJ, in a self-defense fight on the street where it will almost never be 1-on-1 and where weapons might come into play, good luck. BJJ is all about closing the distance--in a street fight, that could be fatal. You probably also won't be fighting on that nice, soft mat you're always practicing on. You also might not have the flexibility you know you have because you're wearing jeans/jacket/etc. You might be trying to sink in that anaconda choke and get attacked by your victim's friends. An equally skilled athlete in Kyokushin would probably come out better. Or a boxer. Knock their lights out fast.
If you're talking about a sports fight in the ring, then sure, a grappler has a good chance at having the advantage against an equally skilled striker.
There's a reason why traditional martial arts have been around for so long--barring McDojo's. A well-taught disciple of a traditional martial art is no one to be taken lightly. I try to remain impartial and look at the positive aspects of each martial art and realize that they all have a place somewhere. |
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kinerry
Joined: 01 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Bloopity Bloop wrote: |
| Leafs42084 wrote: |
I think he was referring to the really commercial mcdojos. Kyokushin and Shotokan karate have always been the better ones.
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While this might be true, he did qualify his statement about the grappler being well trained. So I assumed the TMA fighter would be equally well trained.
To address kinerry again:
You can laud BJJ/grappling all you want and look down on TMA.
The fact is, you need to be thinking about where each style is useful. If you only learn BJJ, in a self-defense fight on the street where it will almost never be 1-on-1 and where weapons might come into play, good luck. BJJ is all about closing the distance--in a street fight, that could be fatal. You probably also won't be fighting on that nice, soft mat you're always practicing on. You also might not have the flexibility you know you have because you're wearing jeans/jacket/etc. You might be trying to sink in that anaconda choke and get attacked by your victim's friends. An equally skilled athlete in Kyokushin would probably come out better. Or a boxer. Knock their lights out fast.
If you're talking about a sports fight in the ring, then sure, a grappler has a good chance at having the advantage against an equally skilled striker.
There's a reason why traditional martial arts have been around for so long--barring McDojo's. A well-taught disciple of a traditional martial art is no one to be taken lightly. I try to remain impartial and look at the positive aspects of each martial art and realize that they all have a place somewhere. |
Sorry, but the stats tell us fights always end up close, that's how you fight. You don't get to choose what happens, you just get to react to what does. You will end up on the ground more than 80% of the time, good luck with your fancy punches and kicks then.
You can get into hypotheticals all you want, but the realities of real fighting have played out and the grappling arts have prevailed when tested. This isn't me spouting what I think works, it's me telling you what the test of time has proven.
You say it's no good against a weapon? Guess what the pros says to do to defend against a knife, even for a well trained fighter...run. Your fancy punches and kicks are useless when someone can cut the bacon off you without breaking a sweat. All of the ones that give you emergency techniques are giving you basically judo punching blocks, and they still say run if you are able to defend it (unless the attacker is intent on chasing you down).
You obviously weren't raised in the street like I was. If you have to fight someone with a real weapon and you have nothing, your chances are low to defend without getting a serious injury, and it's a good chance it's to the death. |
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ThingsComeAround
Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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Kyokushin has a dojo in Seoul (Mas Oyama was Korean)
also Hapkido is a fun study. Anything over 100,000 a month is a rip. And you should get a free uniform
Have you heard of Taekkyeon? That may also be interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taekkyeon
Some people also goto MMA gyms around Seoul. Shouldn't be that hard to find |
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NightSky
Joined: 19 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| coralreefer_1 wrote: |
I would suggest searching for something that suits your body style, athleticism, and abilities. An unbalanced, and weak student with a lack of coordination studying BJJ and Thai boxing is no better off than studying any other art out there.
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this is right on but rarely gets pointed out on these boards.
i find it so funny that newbies to martial arts seem to think that their bodies are bursting with untapped potential and ability to pick up ANY type of training, and all they have to do is walk in to the gym of their choice, pay their fee, and they are already well on their way to becoming the next Jean Claude van Damme. and of course they discount TKD out of hand because after a year of training in Krav Maga they will, of course, be able to kick anyone's TKD-trained butt. regardless of their own personal body shape, strengths, weaknesses, etc. |
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redaxe
Joined: 01 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| coralreefer_1 wrote: |
I would agree with everything said, but I would add that is doesn't really matter whether you take an ineffective style like taekwondo (others opinions) or a proven are like BJJ if you are not actually pretty decent at it.
I would suggest searching for something that suits your body style, athleticism, and abilities. An unbalanced, and weak student with a lack of coordination studying BJJ and Thai boxing is no better off than studying any other art out there.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=158881&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight= |
I disagree. Even a few months training in BJJ can go a LONG way for self-defense, even for someone without strong physical attributes. I've been training for about a year and a half and am one of the biggest and strongest guys in my gym (not hard to be in Korea) but I still get whipped by much smaller guys who have more experience and better technique. Superior technique almost always prevails.
Of course more athletically gifted people will progress faster if they put the time in, but with BJJ it really is just about putting the time in. You don't need any particular physical attribute to get good at it--just dedication. |
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