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rusty1983



Joined: 30 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:03 am    Post subject: Is my boss talking nonsense? Reply with quote

My boss (in the uk) claimed that nowadays you have 5 people applying for every job in Korea, on account of the economic difficulties happening at the moment. I thought "thats nonsense", am I right?
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Cartman



Joined: 30 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems to be consistent with what I'm hearing. I've had about 7 different recruiters working on my behalf; just 1 or 2 jobs found in Busan to apply to, and a handful of jobs in Seoul. Out of 8 jobs to look at in Seoul, I've had just one interview, and the recruiters told me that this time last year I would've had 8 job offers by now...

Two of the more reputable recruiters told me that the jobs are still there, but the schools now have "pick of the crop" and can be more picky due to the higher volume of applicants.
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rusty1983



Joined: 30 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really? Wow, what a turn-up for the books. Is this gonna change everything a bit then. Lower wages cos of higher supply?
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wesharris



Joined: 10 Oct 2008

PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I doubt this. There are still a large number of posted jobs on Dave's and others. From, what I can tell anyhow.
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smjstevens



Joined: 04 Jul 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems like there are still plenty of jobs out there, you just might not get your pick of city or season. If you're flexible with where you go, there are plenty of openings, and similarly, if you're picky about the city but flexible with when you go, you're bound to get a job in the city you want.
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rusty1983



Joined: 30 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So 'there are 5 people applying for every job' might have been way off? I really want to tell him he is talking nonsense
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TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Way off...if there were really five people or even two for every job...there wouldn't be that many job openings. Every week I get e-mails from hakwon recruiters offering 20+ different jobs.

Your boss is engaging in wishful thinking..or maybe it's a ploy to get your hopes down for a raise next year. Likely the latter.
Exceptions would be in the big cities like Seoul, Busan and Daegu because the vast majority of foreigners seem to prefer to work in those environs. Out in the countryside though and for mom-and-pop hakwons..there seems to be plenty left.

And don't forget that most people are only here for a year or two...not to mention all the runners.
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kinerry



Joined: 01 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We got a few couples offers, no problem

Couples jobs are rare, maybe we just hit a niche area?
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Suwon4AGT



Joined: 26 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whether there are actually fewer jobs or not doesn't really matter. I have been told by more than one person (one of them being a hagwon director) that there is a growing sense among Koreans that westerners are flocking to Korea because they are desperate for a job. So would it surprise you that we are up for being treated even worse by the bosses and other teachers?

So, help combat this growing perception by spreading the rumor that us foreigners are talking to one another and are ready to ditch this place to go find better jobs in China.
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Kikomom



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko

PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suwon4AGT wrote:
... help combat this growing perception by spreading the rumor that us foreigners are talking to one another and are ready to ditch this place to go find better jobs in China.

Combat the growing perception by being good Teachers, being professional, and doing yourself and your school proud.

In less than a generation though, there will be enough talented kids among the ones that you are teaching today who will grow up to be your replacements.
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Suwon4AGT



Joined: 26 Apr 2009

PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kikomom wrote:
Suwon4AGT wrote:
... help combat this growing perception by spreading the rumor that us foreigners are talking to one another and are ready to ditch this place to go find better jobs in China.

Combat the growing perception by being good Teachers, being professional, and doing yourself and your school proud.

In less than a generation though, there will be enough talented kids among the ones that you are teaching today who will grow up to be your replacements.


Oh please...BARF!! If I have to hear one rant about bad teaching from foreigners...EESH!!

I happen to have an MS in education with 7 years of teaching experience. I consistently get good/excellent teacher evaluations. Not all of us are fresh out of college with no teaching experience. So think twice next time before you decided to throw out that worn out cliche of a reply. Mmkay???
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Young FRANKenstein



Joined: 02 Oct 2006
Location: Castle Frankenstein (that's FRONKensteen)

PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Is my boss talking nonsense? Reply with quote

rusty1983 wrote:
My boss (in the uk) claimed that nowadays you have 5 people applying for every job in Korea, on account of the economic difficulties happening at the moment. I thought "thats nonsense", am I right?

If he meant Koreans applying for Korean jobs, he might be on the money. Few new jobs are offered and there are plenty of unemployed and more than plenty part-time workers who want those full-time positions.

If he's talking about ESL jobs, then yes, it's nonsense. EPIK and TaLK still can't fill all their open spots.
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Kikomom



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: them thar hills--Penna, USA--Zippy is my kid, the teacher in ROK. You can call me Kiko

PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 7:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suwon4AGT, I don't rant here, that was a simple statement of my perception of people who are representing my culture. Yes, the economy sucks and the world knows it. And yes, I understand the difficulties of throwing yourself into a strange culture and learning to deal with it.

What I am saying is have some self-respect and be good ambassadors of education... then work yourself out of a job.

Fighting rumors with rumors is a fool's mission.
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Whitey Otez



Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: The suburbs of Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In answer to the OP's question, is there a shift? Who could possibly know for sure, given the variables? Of those five resumes on your boss' desk, at least two of them won't actually get on the airplane. Of the three remaining, one of them might be too overqualified to be happy babysitting a bunch of uncooperative kids, and the other ones might just work out provided they don't go to one of the other fifty hogwans where their resume has also ended up.

From my position, I can say that I'll be looking forward to finishing my contract in a few months, but I sort of pity the replacement teacher almost as much as I pity my boss for not knowing why nobody wants to work for him.
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