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ManintheMiddle
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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:40 pm Post subject: WHAT OBAMA'S PRESS REMARKS SAY ABOUT HUSSEIN |
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Note to Steel Rails: this is called a headline, which has limited space and needs to grab the browser's attention, same as my last thread banner.
General Colin Powell endorsed Obama for President last year, tipping the scale for me in favor of the latter, as I indicated on this forum. I trusted Powell's judgment although I knew his racial kinship had at least a little to do with his decision to cross party lines. But as an Independent, I could appreciate the move and his reason for having an axe to grind with the outgoing administration (i.e. Rumsfeld and Cheney, not Bush, who he still likes). In the end I didn't vote at all, suspicious of Obama's stand, or lack thereof, on affirmative action, and his lack of foreign policy experience. And, frankly, it was and is a little unnerving for me to have a President who's younger than me and sometimes acts like it.
Nonetheless, like any patriotic, well-meaning American, I gave our new President the benefit of the doubt, though. I even applauded him where I thought he was going in the right direction. A recent example was his speech to the NAACP National Conference in New York, for those of you without long memories here. I also pointed out that his election might serve as a positive role model for Black youth, which it has to an extent, and inject energy and innovation into the national agenda, which it also has, to a point. Finally, I hoped he would live up to what he wrote in his second book, when he aspired to be like Lincoln on some level, and when he repeatedly talked of being a uniter of people during the campaign, and bipartisan in his actions and outlook.
I also resisted the temptation to be petty, to refer to him by his middle name, "Hussein," because of the very negative image it obviously conjures up. Yet I grew tired of Bush being branded "W" or "Dubya," which I found offensive, especially when used by journalists (as opposed to bloggers and posters).
But now I'm going to sometimes call Obama "Hussein," because he's earned the moniker, in my view.
Cases in point:
Recently, Hussein has tried to lump all Republicans under the mantra of Rush Limbaugh. Not accurate and big mistake.
Secondly, he has stood by Pelosi rather than the CIA and his own nominated chief, Panetta, in the fallout over waterboarding.
Third, he has betrayed the Far Left, and Center Left by going back on his own promises to close Gitmo, speedily conduct trials, and so forth, as bacasper has amply noted here. He seems not to have found a viable solution to the problem, suggesting overconfidence if not overpositioning on his part during the campaign.
Fourth, he has taken a page from Bush, Jr., whose White House staff followed ABC (Anything But Clinton) when they first got into office by now distancing himself even in his stance on North Korea from Bush, failing to take into account the recent change in policy of Pyongyang.
Fifth, he has angered the White House Press Corps, including stalwart liberal Helen Thomas, by planting reporters without credentials and staging questions (including the last one yesterday on the Gates matter).
Sixth, in his press conference yesterday, with the exception of Chuck Grassley of Iowa, he had nothing good to say about Republican opposition to the current health care bill and made them the scapegoat for the delays it's experiencing in several congressional committees. Never mind the fact that it is so-called Blue Dog Democrats who are holding things up just as much.
Finally, and this is the straw that broke the camel's back for me, he had the incredible indiscretion to denounce the Cambridge Police Department--many of whose captains and lieutenants are Black--of "stupidity" in their handling of the Gates arrest despite their having dropped charges against the professor. And while he admitted to being a friend of Gates--somthing well known by those who travel in these circles anyhow--he proceeded to position the incident in to the sordid but often confused history of racial profiling. He even referred to his own work on this front as a former Illinois State Senator. Never mind that Crowley, the cop in question, was hand-picked by a Black captain on the force to deliver sensitivity training sessions for his fellow officers. Never mind that he's received several commendations, that he single handedly tried to save the life of that Black NBA player a few years back. Never mind that the police report explicitly condemns Gates' conduct or that the arresting officer who took him in is Black and the second officer on the scene is Latino.
No, Obama took the low road and didn't even have all the facts. And today he put a spin on his remarks to ABCNews saying that he didn't mean to call the police force stupid but was only trying to highlight racial profiling in America. Never mind that the officer, Sgt. Crowley, was summoned to the scene by a dispatcher responding to a 911 call or that there had been NINE burglaries in the vicinity of Gates' home (and even previous attempt on his own home, which Gates himself later admitted). That's not profiling, that's called doing your duty. Obama still doesn't "get it" because he's covering for his buddy, Skip Gates, as he calls him. Hell, even the leader of the Black Association of Police Officers, himself a liberal, criticized the President.
So let's see what happens now, if Hussein loses his famous cool when his health care bill is delayed and repackaged--when he doesn't get what he wants and feels entitled to.
And if and when he starts taking the high road again, as any good President does, I'll stop calling him Hussein.
After all, he's only six months into his first term in office and he's still learning on the job, like JFK did, and despite what his handlers would have us believe. |
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ubermenzch

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Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 10:53 pm Post subject: Re: WHAT OBAMA'S PRESS REMARKS SAY ABOUT HUSSEIN |
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ManintheMiddle wrote: |
Fifth, he has angered the White House Press Corps, including stalwart liberal Helen Thomas, by planting reporters without credentials and staging questions (including the last one yesterday on the Gates matter).
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The last question about Gates was staged? I was not aware of this.
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Finally, and this is the straw that broke the camel's back for me, he had the incredible indiscretion to denounce the Cambridge Police Department--many of whose captains and lieutenants are Black--of "stupidity" in their handling of the Gates arrest despite their having dropped charges against the professor. |
This article ( http://www.slate.com/id/2223379/ ) has convinced me that the police on the scene were at least guilty of incompetence, if not stupidity.
What I think these most recent press remarks say about Hussein (I don't mind playing along) is that the idea that formed over a year ago that he was willing to treat the American people as adults is quite false. His answers on the topics of health-care reform and sacrifices needed were filled with half-truths and generalizations. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 5:42 am Post subject: |
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As one of the main exemplars of Obama Derangement Syndrome on the board, it's hard to accept your rationalizations...
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tried to lump all Republicans under the mantra of Rush Limbaugh. |
How many elected Republican officials have come crawling back to Rush to beg forgiveness? Who else has that kind of power in the party? Not Michael Steele for sure. It would be very easy for Republicans to nix this strategy. All any Senator, Congressman or Governor would have to do is ignore, or even better, attack the outrageous things Rush says. A current opportunity awaits them. Just stand up and denounce the birthers. Liz Cheyney failed when she had the chance on Larry King.
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he has stood by Pelosi rather than the CIA |
Penetta says that the CIA habitually lied to Congress. So do other people, Wilkerson or whatever Powell's former chief of staff's name is. Should Obama not stand by the side of the person who is telling the truth?
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Third, he has betrayed the Far Left, and Center Left by going back on his own promises to close Gitmo |
I'm not Far Left, but I'll take it upon myself to speak to this one anyway. The process is under way to close the place. It would have helped if the GOP hadn't succeeded in playing the fear card of releasing terrorists to live next door to elementary schools.
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by planting reporters without credentials and staging questions... |
The big kerfluffle was about Nico Pitney from Huffington Post who asked a question about Iran. Why the different standard for Huffington Post?
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with the exception of Chuck Grassley of Iowa, he had nothing good to say about Republican opposition to the current health care bill and made them the scapegoat for the delays it's experiencing in several congressional committees. |
Odd. Why not mention DeMint's 'Waterloo' comment? A large portion of the GOP is not trying to contribute to Health Care Reform. Where is their policy suggestion?
Why not mention the Blue Dogs? Pure politics. All decisions will be made within the Democratic Party since they hold commanding majorities in both houses. It is foolish to insult those whose votes you need. There are legitimate conservative views (not only those bought and paid for by the insurance companies). However, the GOP has chosen not to highlight the fact that they recently controlled all of the government and chose to just run up deficits and not address what is probably the most important domestic issue of the last 20 years or so. The party in power makes choices. Sometimes those choices are in the choices they refuse (or fail) to make. "No" is not really a policy.
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and this is the straw that broke the camel's back for me, he had the incredible indiscretion to denounce the Cambridge Police Department-- |
You have a rather extensive resume when it comes to over-sensitivity to white/black issues. This can be found on the other thread. In your spare time you might want to check out what Erik Fromm had to say about respect for authority.
In the meantime, feel free to refer to the duly elected president of the US as Hussein if you want to. No skin off my nose. For most people, it helps locate you solidly in the wingnut camp of the Right, personal claims to the contrary notwithstanding. |
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catman

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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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he has stood by Pelosi rather than the CIA and his own nominated chief, Panetta, in the fallout over waterboarding |
He was right on that one. |
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ManintheMiddle
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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Ya-Ta Boy replied point-by-point:
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As one of the main exemplars of Obama Derangement Syndrome on the board, it's hard to accept your rationalizations |
I see. So the FACT that I all but endorsed Obama on this forum in several threads is irrelevant? And the FACT that I expressed doubts and displeasure before outright disapproval and contempt is just rationalizing? Really, YT Boy, you should learn how to engage in meaningful argumentation. But of course that would go against your overriding agenda, which is to try to poison the well when it comes to anything I say. Still bitter after all these years, eh? But then what can I expect from someone who picks up pom-poms whenever he hears the name "Obama, yes we can."
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How many elected Republican officials have come crawling back to Rush to beg forgiveness? |
Who cares? What's your point? What has this got to do with my comment? I was only saying that Obama tried unsuccessfully to essentialize conservatives by linking all of them to Rush.
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Penetta says that the CIA habitually lied to Congress. |
Panetta himself took issue with the President's remarks but of course couldn't press the matter because of his tenuous position. Did you miss that coverage or just conveniently overlooking it? Anyway, I'm talking specifically about the issue of waterboarding and whether Pelosi was informed, not the legacy of CIA stonewalling and prevarication. Got it now?
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It would have helped if the GOP hadn't succeeded in playing the fear card of releasing terrorists to live next door to elementary schools. |
NEWSFLASH: It isn't only the GOP and its supporters who are opposed to putting Gitmo prisoners in their backyard. But nice try at scapegoating there. Oh, and I'd hardly characterize those resisting resettlement of prisoners in Europe as conservative either.
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The big kerfluffle was about Nico Pitney from Huffington Post |
As usual, you're only half-right, which makes your defense half-ass. Thomas also complained vociferously about the infomercial otherwise known as the ABC forum on health care at the White House and other incidents. In case you hadn't noticed, the White House Press Corps has a pecking order.
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A large portion of the GOP is not trying to contribute to Health Care Reform. Where is their policy suggestion? |
Wrong again, Grasshopper. Most in the GOP openly and readily admit that the system needs fixing. What they object to is the manner in which it is being done.
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Why not mention the Blue Dogs? Pure politics. |
In other words, pure dishonesty from a president who touts transparency. Nice. Then again, if he's interested in playing politics prudently, he would have refrained from blaming the GOP for it all.
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You have a rather extensive resume when it comes to over-sensitivity to white/black issues. |
You sound like someone working for Eric Holder. What you call "over-sensitivity," I call righteous indignation. The overly sensitive types are people like Gates and Sharpton and their ilk. I have been forthcoming on this burning issue unlike you.
Go ahead and dismiss me as a rightwing nut. It only demonstrates your inability to address my concerns in a meaningful way. Gee, seems like you're taking a page out of the Chicago Playbook. |
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Enrico Palazzo Mod Team


Joined: 11 Mar 2008
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 3:46 pm Post subject: Re: WHAT OBAMA'S PRESS REMARKS SAY ABOUT HUSSEIN |
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ManintheMiddle wrote: |
Note to Steel Rails: this is called a headline, which has limited space and needs to grab the browser's attention, same as my last thread banner.
General Colin Powell endorsed Obama for President last year, tipping the scale for me in favor of the latter, as I indicated on this forum. I trusted Powell's judgment although I knew his racial kinship had at least a little to do with his decision to cross party lines. But as an Independent, I could appreciate the move and his reason for having an axe to grind with the outgoing administration (i.e. Rumsfeld and Cheney, not Bush, who he still likes). In the end I didn't vote at all, suspicious of Obama's stand, or lack thereof, on affirmative action, and his lack of foreign policy experience. And, frankly, it was and is a little unnerving for me to have a President who's younger than me and sometimes acts like it.
Nonetheless, like any patriotic, well-meaning American, I gave our new President the benefit of the doubt, though. I even applauded him where I thought he was going in the right direction. A recent example was his speech to the NAACP National Conference in New York, for those of you without long memories here. I also pointed out that his election might serve as a positive role model for Black youth, which it has to an extent, and inject energy and innovation into the national agenda, which it also has, to a point. Finally, I hoped he would live up to what he wrote in his second book, when he aspired to be like Lincoln on some level, and when he repeatedly talked of being a uniter of people during the campaign, and bipartisan in his actions and outlook.
I also resisted the temptation to be petty, to refer to him by his middle name, "Hussein," because of the very negative image it obviously conjures up. Yet I grew tired of Bush being branded "W" or "Dubya," which I found offensive, especially when used by journalists (as opposed to bloggers and posters).
But now I'm going to sometimes call Obama "Hussein," because he's earned the moniker, in my view.
Cases in point:
Recently, Hussein has tried to lump all Republicans under the mantra of Rush Limbaugh. Not accurate and big mistake.
Secondly, he has stood by Pelosi rather than the CIA and his own nominated chief, Panetta, in the fallout over waterboarding.
Third, he has betrayed the Far Left, and Center Left by going back on his own promises to close Gitmo, speedily conduct trials, and so forth, as bacasper has amply noted here. He seems not to have found a viable solution to the problem, suggesting overconfidence if not overpositioning on his part during the campaign.
Fourth, he has taken a page from Bush, Jr., whose White House staff followed ABC (Anything But Clinton) when they first got into office by now distancing himself even in his stance on North Korea from Bush, failing to take into account the recent change in policy of Pyongyang.
Fifth, he has angered the White House Press Corps, including stalwart liberal Helen Thomas, by planting reporters without credentials and staging questions (including the last one yesterday on the Gates matter).
Sixth, in his press conference yesterday, with the exception of Chuck Grassley of Iowa, he had nothing good to say about Republican opposition to the current health care bill and made them the scapegoat for the delays it's experiencing in several congressional committees. Never mind the fact that it is so-called Blue Dog Democrats who are holding things up just as much.
Finally, and this is the straw that broke the camel's back for me, he had the incredible indiscretion to denounce the Cambridge Police Department--many of whose captains and lieutenants are Black--of "stupidity" in their handling of the Gates arrest despite their having dropped charges against the professor. And while he admitted to being a friend of Gates--somthing well known by those who travel in these circles anyhow--he proceeded to position the incident in to the sordid but often confused history of racial profiling. He even referred to his own work on this front as a former Illinois State Senator. Never mind that Crowley, the cop in question, was hand-picked by a Black captain on the force to deliver sensitivity training sessions for his fellow officers. Never mind that he's received several commendations, that he single handedly tried to save the life of that Black NBA player a few years back. Never mind that the police report explicitly condemns Gates' conduct or that the arresting officer who took him in is Black and the second officer on the scene is Latino.
No, Obama took the low road and didn't even have all the facts. And today he put a spin on his remarks to ABCNews saying that he didn't mean to call the police force stupid but was only trying to highlight racial profiling in America. Never mind that the officer, Sgt. Crowley, was summoned to the scene by a dispatcher responding to a 911 call or that there had been NINE burglaries in the vicinity of Gates' home (and even previous attempt on his own home, which Gates himself later admitted). That's not profiling, that's called doing your duty. Obama still doesn't "get it" because he's covering for his buddy, Skip Gates, as he calls him. Hell, even the leader of the Black Association of Police Officers, himself a liberal, criticized the President.
So let's see what happens now, if Hussein loses his famous cool when his health care bill is delayed and repackaged--when he doesn't get what he wants and feels entitled to.
And if and when he starts taking the high road again, as any good President does, I'll stop calling him Hussein.
After all, he's only six months into his first term in office and he's still learning on the job, like JFK did, and despite what his handlers would have us believe. |
982 words. |
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catman

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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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Panetta himself took issue with the President's remarks but of course couldn't press the matter because of his tenuous position. Did you miss that coverage or just conveniently overlooking it? Anyway, I'm talking specifically about the issue of waterboarding and whether Pelosi was informed, not the legacy of CIA stonewalling and prevarication. Got it now?
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No. He admitted that the CIA often lied to congress. So it wouldn't be a surprise that they lied again. |
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ManintheMiddle
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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catman:
He admitted they have often lied in the past (see Church Amendment, 1975), rather vaguely. He did not say they lied when informing Congress of their interrogation methods at Gitmo.
29 words, one set of numbers. |
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RufusW
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:07 am Post subject: |
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But now I'm going to sometimes call Obama "Hussein," because he's earned the moniker, in my view |
This is what you're trying to achieve? IT'S HIS NAME! A lot of people in the world have it, a lot of people in America are called Hussein. WTF! The author shows his bias by thinking Hussein is inherently bad and everyone called it is a bad person. Yea, that bias is called ignorance. Pathetic. |
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dmbfan

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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 7:56 am Post subject: |
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But then what can I expect from someone who picks up pom-poms whenever he hears the name "Obama, yes we can." |
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NAVFC
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Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:39 am Post subject: |
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Maninthemiddlee, the Republicans begging Rush for forgiveness has EVERYTHING to do with your comment.
If Rush Limbuagh has such power in the GOP that any republican who has offended him ends up apologizing to him and asking his forgiveness, then lumping the republican party with Rush is a fair statement, because no other single republican has that kind of power.
By virtue of the power he holds it makes him the GOP's most senior member..when all others, who can't hold that kind of power over each other, would yield it to him. |
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ManintheMiddle
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Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:44 am Post subject: |
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Dufus wrote:
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The author shows his bias by thinking Hussein is inherently bad and everyone called it is a bad person. Yea, that bias is called ignorance. |
Bias doesn't equate to ignorance especially when it's acknowledged and intended. My point was that what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Now, do I need to explain that saying to you, too?
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the Republicans begging Rush for forgiveness |
Really? The rank and file of Republicans all begged for forgiveness. Ever heard of hyperbole? |
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RJjr

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As the de facto ruler of Iraq, it's appropriate that Obama should be called "Hussein." Caesar/Kaiser is so pre-2000 A.D. In this age of peak oil, Hussein is the new title for emperors. |
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bacasper

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Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2009 12:59 am Post subject: |
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RJjr wrote: |
As the de facto ruler of Iraq, it's appropriate that Obama should be called "Hussein." Caesar/Kaiser is so pre-2000 A.D. In this age of peak oil, Hussein is the new title for emperors. |
With so many candidates around here, don't you find it hard to tell exactly "who's sane?" |
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